20 gauge SxS vs O/U
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1963beretta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vaughan, Ontario
Stupplejumper made no insults or accusations. He just stated a point. In fact, its a very valid point. Anyone who has shot a Stoeger (or something of similar weight/ergonomics) at fast moving birds in flight would understand. Given that there are a few people who have already agreed with the assessment solidifies Stupplejumpers statement. The only insults and accusations I’ve seen here are from you directed to Stupplejumper.
I also want to note that I have never heard of a shotgun “elitist” recommend a budget SxS like Stupplejumper did with his recommendation of the Huglu brand. Just saying....
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I shot a 28 gauge Stoeger while waiting for my Ugartechea to be finished and had no issues shooting skeet or ruffies on the wing with it.
I have been told that the 101 swings like a plank as well , but A Canadian skeet champion several times over really seemed to like his!
Cat
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Why is it that anyone who chooses to buy a SxS that costs more than $1500 when new gets labeled an elitist?
Why does someone get crapped on when they comment accurately on the handling characteristics of a cheap shotgun?
Yes, as some here (talking to you, Cat) have pointed out, you can still kill things with the plank that fires like a gun....or have success in the shooting sports. But that doesn't mean it's a well made, well balanced gun. Typically, that just means the shooter is skilled and can overcome the handicap of lesser tools. Pretty sure in the early 2000's, Tiger Woods could still shoot a sub par round of golf using my crappy old clubs from the 1980's.
But none of that negates stubblejumper's original point. And for someone who rarely comments here in hunting shotguns, Rman, your unsolicited attack on stubblejumper was completely out of line. Maybe not ban worthy but poorly reasoned and crassly worded. I don't know how inferior stubblejumper may be feeling, but I know you, in fact, are inferior. I know this because of what you write, so I don't need to speculate.
He just seems to enjoy making personal attacks towards myself or the equipment I use, especially since he was banned on another outdoor forum for making personal attacks towards myself and other members.
1963beretta
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Vaughan, Ontario
Crassly worded yes....but someone needs to teach him how to use a question mark. A lesson in manners should also be on the schedule
Doc Rainbow
CGN Regular
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- Beautiful B.C.
20 gauge SxS for the listed activities? Definitely. Suggest try some of each first, but I'm getting son a 20 gauge ( or possibly a 410 ) for grouse before it starts up again next fall. It's what he wants AND the kid loves double guns so he'd rather have a SXS .
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I dunno, I have met people who were quite happy with their Stoegers, and mine was a good little gun for me for what I needed it for - a stand in until my custom built sub gauge came in.
I ended up donating the Stoeger to someone who was ill and short of funds wanting to shoot a sub gauge.It certainly had some short comings but it seemed to fit me well enough that I did not have to work too hard at shooting it.
I have shot some very high end guns that were terrible for me, and one in particular that II should maybe never have sold because I shot it so well!
The fact remains however, quite often price is the biggest factor in someone buying a new gun, and it often comes down to the determining factor on whether or not a gun is bought.
Cat
Oh, the elitist isn't from the price tag of the equipment, as you should go back and read? Attack? Really? Also, for those that find these things important, please note the judicious use of question marks. Comments are rare, because gears can't seem to be pulled low enough. A feller gets accused of ground swatting birds, and a choice of gun is put down, but all of that is ok? Lots of kool aid!
R.
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There appears to be no band aids for hurt feelers!
You fellers carry on, now.
R.
Cat, as I'm sure you know, I said nothing about people not being happy with their Stoegers. Nor was gun fit brought up. Nor was I critical of buying a gun one can afford. But those criteria have little to do with the inherent qualities of design and assembly when comparing something like a Grulla and other "Spanish junk" or just about any gun made in England between 1890 and 1939 and a Stoeger. I think you would agree there are differences in quality between an A grade Philly Fox 16 gauge and a Stevens model 311. There is nothing wrong with those differences but neither is there anything wrong with pointing them out.
"Gears can't be pulled low enough"? When referring to the entire forum? Whether you know it or not, your only method of discussion in this thread is by insult and attack. I suspect there is truth in stubblejumper's claim that you have been banned from other forums for harassment. Is that true? If it is, did you bring that attitude here? As I said before, you reveal who you are by your posts.
Speaking of reading comprehension, you need to go back and read stubblejumper's post that set you off. He accuses no one of ground swatting. He asks a couple of questions. Perfectly legitimate questions, given the discussion.
Ground swatting is almost exclusively used (when hunting "partridge and grouse") on ruffed and spruce grouse. They are grouse, not "partridge". The only "partridge" most of us hunt in Canada is a Hungarian Partridge. And there is a giant difference in the shots that are afforded between a ruffed or spruce grouse standing on a road and a covey of Huns flushing. Nothing wrong, or insulting, about making that difference clear.
Not an attack? We didn't note the question marks?
Do you think we are too stupid to note the sarcasm in those questions?
Each sentence that comes before you address the OP contains a personal slight or slam of stubblejumper.
I love your complaint about the "no band aids for hurt feelers", whatever that means. How lame, how trite, how common. Kind of a good all around slag when you are unable to actually counter anything.
fishslinger
CGN Regular
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- southern ontario
A friend of mine had a Stoeger SxS once. One day we decided to pattern it to see how well it would do. The left barrel shot about ten inches to the left and the right barrel shot about eight inches high. He quickly sent that one down the road, I find barrel regulation with point of impact to be a big problem with these Stoegers.
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
Absolutely , it seems however that when guns like the Stoegers are mentioned they tend to get bashed by some - not that I am insinuating you were!
i also agree with you comments about the 311 and Fox.
just because a gun says AYA or Grulla does not mean it is an upper end gun , but if it fits well chances are a person will hit with it better than if the gun does not fit .
That was the point I was trying to make .
Cat
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- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I guess it should also be stated that a gun may fit but there are also other criteria involved like barrel regulation, trigger weight and consistancy ,etc but fit is first fir sure .
my opinion only of course
Cat
my opinion only of course
Cat
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And it's usually a damn good one!
Trying to get things back on track to the OP's original question with regards to SxS vs O/U. In my personal experiences the main advantages of a SxS for upland and casual clays are pretty well purely appearance and personal satisfaction. Assuming both guns fit equally well it will come down to your own personal preference.
There is one arena where a SxS has a distinct advantage and that is the duck blind. Not that the O/U's awkwardness to reload in tight confines can't be over come, but it can be an inconvenience.
Other than that the comments regarding cast are worth taking into consideration.
