20 guage slug for moose
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Takujualuk
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IMO with a full diameter hard slug like a Brenneke the 20 would make it all the way up to marginal on Moose. I think the copper sabots give up the diameter advantage which is all that a shotgun has going for it.
Here we go again with the slug = bad crowd...
Whats wrong with a 328gr copper slug @ 1900fps??
Federal Premium Barnes Expander 20 GA / 3":
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Its faster and heavier than a 44 magnum. I suppose nobody ever shot a moose with one of those either.
Whats wrong with a 328gr copper slug @ 1900fps??
Federal Premium Barnes Expander 20 GA / 3":
Muzzle 25 Y 50 Y 75 Y 100 Y 125 Y
1900 1802 1708 1617 1530 1448
Its faster and heavier than a 44 magnum. I suppose nobody ever shot a moose with one of those either.
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Nothing at all and it never ceases to amaze me how people that have no knowledge of the new slug technology continue to bash them and base their opinions on technology that is 10 years old. If a .45/70 is suitable for a moose or a muzzleloader is suitable for a moose, so too is a 20 gauge with the proper slug within reasonable ranges. People, there's a whole new world out there. Don't be afraid to go check it out.........Good post Blargon!
We are all now enlightened on the ballistics of slugs as available on-line anywhere that slug ammo is sold. We can also read about the various new slug guns and how they are effective up to 150yds.
I have actually hunted and killed deer with a slug. It was the rifled sabot kind as recently as five years ago and I used it only because I had to. I remember watching deer walk by at 150yds, but had the sense not to shoot and miss or wound them at that range, though most hunters would have Hail-Mary'd a shot. In that Controlled Zone, I have since gone to a muzzleloader because it's far better and I can.
Sure, a 20 ga slug can kill a Moose if you can hit it in the right spot (that part is up to the shooter). However, if it's not a slug-only zone, I can't imagine anyone using a slug over any multitude of rifle cartidges. They are all far more accurate, have far longer ranges, have much less recoil, and are cheaper to shoot.
I have actually hunted and killed deer with a slug. It was the rifled sabot kind as recently as five years ago and I used it only because I had to. I remember watching deer walk by at 150yds, but had the sense not to shoot and miss or wound them at that range, though most hunters would have Hail-Mary'd a shot. In that Controlled Zone, I have since gone to a muzzleloader because it's far better and I can.
Sure, a 20 ga slug can kill a Moose if you can hit it in the right spot (that part is up to the shooter). However, if it's not a slug-only zone, I can't imagine anyone using a slug over any multitude of rifle cartidges. They are all far more accurate, have far longer ranges, have much less recoil, and are cheaper to shoot.
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My usual complaint with slugs and moose is that some hunters have a tendency to over estimate their accuracy and range with slugs. Yeah, I know, some hunters do it with rifles too, but the potential for "error" is bigger and I don't see many hunters sighting in their shotguns and slugs at the range.
First off, there are no rifled sabot slugs that I'm aware of so not certain what you are speaking of. Rifled slugs are designed for smoothbore guns and sabots are designed for shotguns with rifled barrels. Secondly, modern slug guns are every bit as accurate as modern muzzleloaders and they are reaching pretty comparable velocities so once again, please enlighten me how a muzzleloader is so superior to a shotgun. If a .270 grain bullet going 1,900fps is a hail mary at 150 yards, gravity must be far greater in your part of Canada than mine.
I think it's important that people use any cartridge, shotgun or muzzleloader within its effective performance envelope. This is definitely not unique to shotguns but you are corret that that performance envelope is smaller, just as it is with a muzzleloader or rifle cartridge offering similar ballistics. The new high velocity, balistically coefficient slugs bare little resemblence to their foster cousins both in looks and performance but yes, they do have an optimum performance range.
Yea - got it. I was careless and didn't spell things out like I needed to. It was a Sabot slug shot through a rifled barrel, and it would have been a "Hail Mary" because it was not accurate at that range (i.e. 4" group), not because the ballistics tables tell us it won't travel that far or what the drop would be. My bad.
On your second point, yup sure, the newest slug guns and slugs are every bit as accurate as any muzzleloader or rifle for that matter.
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Brutus
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Good point...
That fella in my avatar fell to a single Brenneke Rotweill Classic, 12 gauge
1 1/8 ounce slug.
I did practice plenty though beforehand at the outdoor range. On the day I plugged him, at 75 yards, using an iron sighted M37 Ithaca Deerslayer, I had to compensate for about 6 inches of drop. He fell right there, and demised in less than one minute.
This may seem alot, but this shotgun was designed for police engagements. I suspect it was meant to be spot on the dime, at 25 yards, using slugs, with it's LAPD 'wedge' type sights.
During hanging and skinning, it was obvious I pooched the top of his heart, and one lung.
I would say I burned off during practice, about 40 or so rounds, from 20-100 yards, before I felt confident to do so. Of these practice rounds, about half were Fosters, and the other half Brennekes.
I know, it's not about a 20 bore...but.
That fella in my avatar fell to a single Brenneke Rotweill Classic, 12 gauge
1 1/8 ounce slug.
I did practice plenty though beforehand at the outdoor range. On the day I plugged him, at 75 yards, using an iron sighted M37 Ithaca Deerslayer, I had to compensate for about 6 inches of drop. He fell right there, and demised in less than one minute.
This may seem alot, but this shotgun was designed for police engagements. I suspect it was meant to be spot on the dime, at 25 yards, using slugs, with it's LAPD 'wedge' type sights.
During hanging and skinning, it was obvious I pooched the top of his heart, and one lung.
I would say I burned off during practice, about 40 or so rounds, from 20-100 yards, before I felt confident to do so. Of these practice rounds, about half were Fosters, and the other half Brennekes.
I know, it's not about a 20 bore...but.
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I think if I were out for a mid day walk looking for a grouse with my 20 guage,with a couple of slugs in my pocket-and saw a moose at close range,presenting a good broadside shot-I'd take it,otherwise,I'd be hunting with my regular moose rifle
A rifle that shoots 4" groups also would have been a hail-mary.
Not sure what your point is, other than you were using a load that your gun didn't shoot well. Would you use a rifle load that didn't shoot well? Try a different brand.
I'd certainly use a 20 gauge for moose, if you kept it with in your shooting ability and the slugs ability. Smoothbore 100 yards, rifled barrel 200 yards would be doable.
I bought a Bolt action savage 20 ga that I plan on using for Deer in Ontario this fall for the Controlled Hunt. Call me a wuss, but the 12 ga with slugs was beating the crap out of me.
I bought a Bolt action savage 20 ga that I plan on using for Deer in Ontario this fall for the Controlled Hunt. Call me a wuss, but the 12 ga with slugs was beating the crap out of me.
I know there will always be guys who try to do more with less and vice versa. My point is with the availability of so many other "better" choices (more velocity and accuracy) why would one pursue a moose with a 20g.?
Sure, as I stated before, it will kill a moose. No doubt about it. But consider your sighting system and your slug choices before you venture out.
There are better choices.
Im sure a well placed 410 slug will do a moose in too, but I think you owe the animal and yourself a better configuration.
Sure, as I stated before, it will kill a moose. No doubt about it. But consider your sighting system and your slug choices before you venture out.
There are better choices.
Im sure a well placed 410 slug will do a moose in too, but I think you owe the animal and yourself a better configuration.
