2007 or later CZ858 Prohib

55recce said:
1. I would suggest we tone down the rhetoric such as abusing the RCMP and talking about burying rather than giving up. This is a public forum that anyone can read.
2. Remember this happened with the T97. My original one was confiscated by the police, but every cloud has a silver lining as I was able to purchase a non-restricted version for $300 less.
3. Sorry to say this but the NFA was not hugely helpful when it came to taking the Type 97 issue to court. I did look into it and decided that unless I wanted to hire a lawyer and go through a huge amount of stress and $ that fighting the system was not going to work. It would be me against the RCMP experts fighting over the legailty of easily converted and other such words.
4. Eventaully they did reimburse Type 97 owners for the purchase price when they took them away
5. Remember all the cheering when the long gun registry went away? It was pretty obvious to me that the cost of this would be our ability to own black guns but nobody was in a listening mode......
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FYI RE: Type 97A - One affected owner was chosen as the test subject. Had that test case yielded a positive outcome, all other Type 97A owners would've been covered. Unfortunately, the physical design of the Type 97A trigger did meet the established federal standards of easily converted to full auto. Not what we wanted to hear, but it was a case that still needed to be fought on principle. It would've been irresponsible for the NFA to have funded three dozen separate s.74 challenges, even assuming the org had the resources to do so.

The Swiss Arms and CZ-858 prohibitions will be fought firstly in the political realm, but the NFA has a legal team in place to take this challenge right to the Supreme Court if necessary.
 
fireguy said:
This is an *excellent* post! The loss of freedom starts slowly and seemingly harmlessly. Civil rights slowly nibbled away until... "Hey, what happened?!? I'm stuck in a dictatorship!"
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THANK YOU Fireguy for GETTING IT! :) Colonel '72 there figured I was comparing the RCMP's banning of two semi auto rifles to the extermination of 12 million people for Crissakes! No!! Freedom and civil rights and liberties are precious commodities and must be fought for and stood up for, or they will be eroded bit by bit until we have a Caesar! If the RCMP win they will keep going until we're left with rocks and sticks!
 
mrhigginsdogmodel said:
At the very least......If Harper let's his muppet take our property, I want a cheque from the Government of Canada for same!
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History seems to indicate we'll get a "thank you" for bringing in our firearms...still more reason to write your MP, PM, and Safety Minister. I know the thread entitles "non registered to prohibited..." in Gun Talk on HBC has links for the public safety minister and the PM.
 
If the worst happens and our CZ 858s start getting confiscated (and if anyone decides to comply with that) strip it down to a bare receiver and give them that only. But until then we have to fight this blatant abuse of power to prevent it from getting to that point.
 
From the front page of the Conservative Party of Canada:

Unacceptable

February 28, 2014

Conservatives have always stood up for law-abiding gun owners.

That’s why I was troubled to learn of a decision made by unelected bureaucrats to prohibit a number of rifles imported from Switzerland.

I want to assure you that I will not let law-abiding gun owners suffer as a result of this situation.

These now “prohibited” firearms had been classified as non-restricted for more than a decade. The RCMP has no idea how many of these rifles exist, and they have not announced any plan on how to deal with those who purchased these firearms lawfully.

I want to assure you all options are on the table to fix this situation. I will also be taking steps to make sure this never happens again.

The actions of these bureaucrats are absolutely unacceptable and I will be announcing concrete measures in the coming days.

Our Conservative Government is on your side — and we will always stand up for the rights of law-abiding firearms owners.

Thank you once again for your years of loyal support.

Sincerely,

Steven Blaney
MP, Levis-Bellechasse
 
If anyone does consider turning in their CZ 858s, please make sure you ONLY turn in the stripped receiver, not the barrel or any other parts. And make sure that the receiver is permanently damaged so it cannot be used by the police. Sledge-hammer, angle-grinder, whatever. Worse case ontario perhaps suppliers can import a non-restricted receiver and slap your parts on there.
 
skirsons said:
If anyone does consider turning in their CZ 858s, please make sure you ONLY turn in the stripped receiver, not the barrel or any other parts. And make sure that the receiver is permanently damaged so it cannot be used by the police. Sledge-hammer, angle-grinder, whatever. Worse case ontario perhaps suppliers can import a non-restricted receiver and slap your parts on there.
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i was thinking about a thing o nthis do it will work if someone just cut a square to give them the serial number ^^
 
Thegrossmaster said:
Unfortunately true. The NFA does not do nearly enough at anything IMHO. I am a member nonetheless, but I am also a member of the NRA. After paying my membership I never heard again from the NFA, they are so passive it's embarrassing. The NRA however constantly keeps me updated about progress, issues, along with suggestions and motivation on supporting the cause. Hardly any Canadian outside firearms enthusiasts have even heard of NFA, while the NRA is famous for their cause internationally. That is what we need more than ever now, a STRONG, VOCAL, VISIBLE, and ACTIVE organization to take an active (not reactive) role in fighting for our rights. That is, a fight not just to keep our rights and maintain ground, but we need a dedicated force to GAIN rights and FURTHER our position!
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True, the NFA is happy to collect your money but when you need their help, it's some excuse as to why they can't help you.
 
Do not turn your guns in voluntarily. They have taken them in the past from smaller groups of owners in this case it is roughly 10000 strong and EVERYONE should be behind them against the criminal behaviour of the RCMP leadership! You legally bought and owned something now someone else is trying to take it, this is the definition of attempted robbery. They haven't successfully robbed us yet this time, don't let them!
 
The guidelines for verifying whether a firearm can be readily converted to full auto need to be clear. Are they? IMO a typical owner, with no technical training, should be able to use readily available parts to convert the rifle to full auto. Otherwise there should be no problems!!
 
fenceline said:
From the FRT...
142363 CZ CZ858 Tactical-2 V Proofed 2007 or later Ceska Zbrojovka (CZ)
Rifle Converted Automatic Numbered
- prohibited as converted auto
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I only see the CZ 858 FRT # 142362 listed on the NRA site (https://nfa.ca/news/canada%E2%80%99s-national-firearms-association-special-advisory) from a posting out on the March 1st - two days after your posting. Wouldn't they include all affected CZ 858 FRT numbers as the did with the Swiss Arms rifles? Can anyone confirm that 142363 is indeed listed now as prohibited?

Secondly, if its our responsibility (reverse onus) to make certain we are abiding by the law then where can the average citizen check specific rifle classifications to ensure just that? Since the RCMP decided to re-classify these rifles what logical or practical course of action do they expect of us to determine if a firearm has been re-classified? Are we expected to contact them daily to ensure that the firearems we currently have in our possession have not been re-classified? If it's our responsibility then what other option do we have to avoid becoming criminals over night as per this specific case with CZ's? I'm new to the world of firearms and confused as to why this re-classification is even taking place - as such I'd appreciate some insight into this...
 
soma56 said:
Secondly, if its our responsibility (reverse onus) to make certain we are abiding by the law then where can the average citizen check specific rifle classifications to ensure just that? Since the RCMP decided to re-classify these rifles what logical or practical course of action do they expect of us to determine if a firearm has been re-classified? Are we expected to contact them daily to ensure that the firearems we currently have in our possession have not been re-classified? If it's our responsibility then what other option do we have to avoid becoming criminals over night as per this specific case with CZ's? I'm new to the world of firearms and confused as to why this re-classification is even taking place - as such I'd appreciate some insight into this...
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Theres more to these reclassifications then the RCMP realizing it may be possible to convert them to full auto. Got to look a little further down the road with elections coming up in another year. If the Conservatives lose and either of the other 2 parties have a majority we can expect life to get real hard for us. The RCMP will push their hidden agenda of a full out gun ban or in the least to start a new gun registry stating that they cannot keep track of firearms which have been classified as prohibited after the abolished LGR. We all know Liberal or NDP will side with the RCMP and pass any bill they want not to mention their own.
 
is there a website where I can check the date of manufacture from the serial number? I want to know if mine is GTG or not, but my hopes are pretty low
 
how about some actual concrete proof that these rifles can be converted. unless i see a video on how its done. then we can all agree even more that they are out to get us.
 
thebaker said:
how about some actual concrete proof that these rifles can be converted. unless i see a video on how its done. then we can all agree even more that they are out to get us.
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They do not need any proof. The RCMP will not claim it can be easily converted or converted at all to full auto. They will claim the serial number on the receiver was originally manufactured for a full auto firearm and therefor it is prohibited as per Canadian law. This is not about public safety, it is about a pissing match between the RCMP and who they view as law abiding criminals.
 
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Ok, I have contacted everyone that I can think if in Nova Scotia in Government and the Prime Minister and Safety Minister , what have you guys done today to stop this travesty?
 
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