2008 Quebec IPSC Provincials
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Geeze... You know, I filled out my form over the weekend and shipped it this morning, and it wasn't until I was almost finished that I actually noticed the change in the work requirement (that everyone, not just PQ shooters, have to work). I paid it no attention, because I like to work that match anyway, I think last year was the first year i didn't work, and only because it was full and I nly managed to squeek in at the last moment.
Yes, it would be great if there were enough people to help out without having to ask, but that apparently isn't the case, so on some matches the MDs need to ask/require help. I've never had anything other than a fantastic experience in this match, and if forcing some/all people to help out a bit to make that happen is what's needed, so be it.
Now, re Quebec/Ont/etc shooters - given how fast it fills up, and how small (relatively speaking) it is, in terms of available slots, and the general lower number of matches in Quebec than Ont, I don't have a problem with something like opening the signup to PQ shooters a week before opening it up to everyone else, to give them a chance for head start. I don't know if there would be any ipsc rules which would oppose that, blah, blah, but I think that would be a perfectly reasonable way of doing it: those from PQ eager to go would be, almost, guaranteed a slot, but those who didn't care as much and didn't signup right away would have to compete against shooters from other sections/regions.
it's one thing for a PQ shooter to see the match get filled up with Ont shooters within 2 days of it becoming open: that would be "wrong", in my opinion.
But it's another thing for a PQ shooter to decide, a week before the match, that (s)he wants to shoot only to be told it's full, with lots of Ont shooters there... Nothing wrong with that... You snooze you lose...
Yes, it would be great if there were enough people to help out without having to ask, but that apparently isn't the case, so on some matches the MDs need to ask/require help. I've never had anything other than a fantastic experience in this match, and if forcing some/all people to help out a bit to make that happen is what's needed, so be it.
Now, re Quebec/Ont/etc shooters - given how fast it fills up, and how small (relatively speaking) it is, in terms of available slots, and the general lower number of matches in Quebec than Ont, I don't have a problem with something like opening the signup to PQ shooters a week before opening it up to everyone else, to give them a chance for head start. I don't know if there would be any ipsc rules which would oppose that, blah, blah, but I think that would be a perfectly reasonable way of doing it: those from PQ eager to go would be, almost, guaranteed a slot, but those who didn't care as much and didn't signup right away would have to compete against shooters from other sections/regions.
it's one thing for a PQ shooter to see the match get filled up with Ont shooters within 2 days of it becoming open: that would be "wrong", in my opinion.
But it's another thing for a PQ shooter to decide, a week before the match, that (s)he wants to shoot only to be told it's full, with lots of Ont shooters there... Nothing wrong with that... You snooze you lose...
I have no problem working matches. I have helped to set up, RO, and tear down - all in clubs that are local to me. I personally will not travel out of town/overnight to a match to be forced to work in order for my score to count. This costs me an extra day and an extra night at the hotel.
IMHO if a club/range can't get the required help from within, to put on a match without forcing competitors to work X number of hours, then they should rethink their desire to host a match.
Like I said - just my opinion
qc provinvial
so you will shoot and not work it<s ok with me but your score gonna be ZERO
so you can put an arbitration form if you want, so we will make a committee
and then you gonna loose you match fee 100$ , arbitration form 100$ and your score gonna be ZERO
so we (the arbitration committee) gonna spend all your hard earn money on BEER and Women
it<s easy if you want to shoot you need to work
or you shoot for ZERO
thank you come again!!!!!
I'll pay to shoot - I won't pay to work
so you will shoot and not work it<s ok with me but your score gonna be ZERO
so you can put an arbitration form if you want, so we will make a committee
and then you gonna loose you match fee 100$ , arbitration form 100$ and your score gonna be ZERO
so we (the arbitration committee) gonna spend all your hard earn money on BEER and Women
it<s easy if you want to shoot you need to work
or you shoot for ZERO
thank you come again!!!!!
I keep repeating the same thing on my head...
"Someone gonna get a hurt real bad" (for all you Russell Peters fans)
"Someone gonna get a hurt real bad" (for all you Russell Peters fans)
so you will shoot and not work it<s ok with me but your score gonna be ZERO
so you can put an arbitration form if you want, so we will make a committee
and then you gonna loose you match fee 100$ , arbitration form 100$ and your score gonna be ZERO
so we (the arbitration committee) gonna spend all your hard earn money on BEER and Women
it<s easy if you want to shoot you need to work
or you shoot for ZERO
thank you come again!!!!!
That's how I was seeing that, I was to go (1 only made 2 match yet but plan to shoot just for fun) but I just received a nice PM from Phil to shut the F up and bla bla I will just not go now, I had no problem to help the whole day but atitude like this... forget it.
Where is the nearest Ontario match from MTL?
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- Halifax - NS
Now Phil, you're a certified member of NROI, and a thoughtful official. You know very well that an arbitration fee does not go there. I'm sure you're just frustrated and kidding, but please don't insinuate this sort of thing. Arbitration Fees are serious, and their funds distribution is very clearly defined in NROI.
My entry will be in the mail tomorrow along with my request for when I'll (happily) work.
Wow, this is going downhill fast...
PMT, I think there is ample time to work the same day you shoot. You can either come to the range a few hours early, or work a few hours after finishing. As long as the effort is there I don't think there will be a problem.
I think some people assume that paying a match fee exempts you from working... and I think we all know this is not the case. Even the match director and the guys who set up a match (which is ALOT of work for a provincial) pay the match fee... and work harder than anyone!
I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to put in a few hours on match day (or before).
PMT, I think there is ample time to work the same day you shoot. You can either come to the range a few hours early, or work a few hours after finishing. As long as the effort is there I don't think there will be a problem.
I think some people assume that paying a match fee exempts you from working... and I think we all know this is not the case. Even the match director and the guys who set up a match (which is ALOT of work for a provincial) pay the match fee... and work harder than anyone!
I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to put in a few hours on match day (or before).
so you will shoot and not work it<s ok with me but your score gonna be ZERO
so you can put an arbitration form if you want, so we will make a committee
and then you gonna loose you match fee 100$ , arbitration form 100$ and your score gonna be ZERO
so we (the arbitration committee) gonna spend all your hard earn money on BEER and Women
it<s easy if you want to shoot you need to work
or you shoot for ZERO
thank you come again!!!!!
..under which rule?
Come on guys.
Quebec guys say we have to work half day to shoot, so let it be.
I am not really happy about working but on other hand that could be fun.
Quebec IPSC makes great matches and I am looking forward to come and shoot and help.
My only serious complain Level III and only 170 rounds
Quebec guys say we have to work half day to shoot, so let it be.
I am not really happy about working but on other hand that could be fun.
Quebec IPSC makes great matches and I am looking forward to come and shoot and help.
My only serious complain Level III and only 170 rounds
so you will shoot and not work it<s ok with me but your score gonna be ZERO
so you can put an arbitration form if you want, so we will make a committee
and then you gonna loose you match fee 100$ , arbitration form 100$ and your score gonna be ZERO
so we (the arbitration committee) gonna spend all your hard earn money on BEER and Women
it<s easy if you want to shoot you need to work
or you shoot for ZERO
thank you come again!!!!!
This is what you spend the money from matches on BEER and WOMEN.
And yet people can not understand why people are leaving this sport.
It is attitudes like this that is killing the sport.
It was obvioulsy a joke...
Anyone who thinks Phil was serious...obvioulsy hasn't met him
stormbringer
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- S.W. Ontario
Hmm
Humour-Foo is weak with many here.
Humour-Foo is weak with many here.
Now Phil, you're a certified member of NROI, and a thoughtful official. You know very well that an arbitration fee does not go there. I'm sure you're just frustrated and kidding, but please don't insinuate this sort of thing. Arbitration Fees are serious, and their funds distribution is very clearly defined in NROI.
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I was waiting for the punchline Sean. I still vividly recall Lorne Rowe telling us during my CRO course so many moons ago what the arbitration fees normally were used for.
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- Halifax - NS
Heh - me too -Lorne's long gone though ..I was waiting for the punchline Sean. I still vividly recall Lorne Rowe telling us during my CRO course so many moons ago what the arbitration fees normally were used for.
2008 QC provincial
It seems that IPSC in general doesn't seems to UNDERSTAND some kind of HUMOR.......OK i'm FRENCH speaking (born and raised) was forced to learn English (but i still suck at it) that why i lack seriousness
this forum is not an Official IPSC QUEBEC site it's just me that give my 2 cents about it ,, i don't run the IPSC quebec show but i help a lot ,
in general what keeps me interested in the IPSC game is the fun i can have without taking myself too seriously .....i've no intention becoming world champ and being better than anybody.......but after working 50 hours a week welding stuff ...building matches on weekly basis beeing an RO, stats guy etc,,,,
if someday in quebec guys start to be World champ wannabe not working USPSA addict , i will take all my stuff and cut it in 2 inches block
and start playing GOLF
what keeps me in the show is the GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR and good friends in ontario like Quigley ...MR.Clean...Tritium....Virgil F......ZOUMZOUM..HOSEMASTER to name a few, those people who 10 years after are not affraid to work with us
So for my Joke i make an appology To SEAN and the rest of IPSC GUYS who thinks that was wrong
but for those who understand .......LETS HAVE A DECK PARTY ,this year i'm coming with my electric guitar .....we gonna ROCK the PLACE to HELL
It seems that IPSC in general doesn't seems to UNDERSTAND some kind of HUMOR.......OK i'm FRENCH speaking (born and raised) was forced to learn English (but i still suck at it) that why i lack seriousness
this forum is not an Official IPSC QUEBEC site it's just me that give my 2 cents about it ,, i don't run the IPSC quebec show but i help a lot ,
in general what keeps me interested in the IPSC game is the fun i can have without taking myself too seriously .....i've no intention becoming world champ and being better than anybody.......but after working 50 hours a week welding stuff ...building matches on weekly basis beeing an RO, stats guy etc,,,,
if someday in quebec guys start to be World champ wannabe not working USPSA addict , i will take all my stuff and cut it in 2 inches block
and start playing GOLF
what keeps me in the show is the GOOD SENSE OF HUMOR and good friends in ontario like Quigley ...MR.Clean...Tritium....Virgil F......ZOUMZOUM..HOSEMASTER to name a few, those people who 10 years after are not affraid to work with us
So for my Joke i make an appology To SEAN and the rest of IPSC GUYS who thinks that was wrong
but for those who understand .......LETS HAVE A DECK PARTY ,this year i'm coming with my electric guitar .....we gonna ROCK the PLACE to HELL
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The Quebec guys always put on a great match, I don't mind lending them a hand with the work. Anyone that doesn't want to work will leave more spots for those that will help. Thanks to all the Quebec guys who spend months building the props long before the match.
This years DECK Party should be great with all the extra BEER!
This years DECK Party should be great with all the extra BEER!
The funniest was last year when Phil asked if I was coming to the "Deck Party"...
Being a true anglophone from way down south in Ontario... sounded like he asked me if I was coming to the "#### Party"... I kindly told him I was gonna pass on the "#### Party" cause I was going over to Bearbrook to party on the "deck"!
He looked puzzled, but we all got a good laugh!
Being a true anglophone from way down south in Ontario... sounded like he asked me if I was coming to the "#### Party"
... I kindly told him I was gonna pass on the "#### Party" cause I was going over to Bearbrook to party on the "deck"!He looked puzzled, but we all got a good laugh!
philproulx: here's an idea to ponder. Charge $500.00 to shoot the match and then pay the workers. I'll bet the "I don't pay to work" attitude will soften up a bit.
I also think that the Quebec match is one of the best of the year in this area and spent many hours helping build, RO, take down etc (sometimes I didn't even shoot). I got so fed up of the complainers and whiners who thought that being a master class shooter made their ##### grow an extra 2 inches I just quit alltogether. I even noted to those who don't pay to work that neither did I but they still expected me to patch the targets for them because they had to field strip their mags after every course of fire in case of sand.
I'd love to go back to IPSC (I do miss it) and with Quigley there i'm sure it's better but I not ready to put up with it quite yet.
I also think that the Quebec match is one of the best of the year in this area and spent many hours helping build, RO, take down etc (sometimes I didn't even shoot). I got so fed up of the complainers and whiners who thought that being a master class shooter made their ##### grow an extra 2 inches I just quit alltogether. I even noted to those who don't pay to work that neither did I but they still expected me to patch the targets for them because they had to field strip their mags after every course of fire in case of sand.
I'd love to go back to IPSC (I do miss it) and with Quigley there i'm sure it's better but I not ready to put up with it quite yet.
There are just as many LAZY B,C,D class shooters as there is GM, M, and A shooters. Granted, there are so few GM's that the lazy ones seem to stick out like a sore thumb.
It burns me like nothing else to see the lazy people sit back in the shade with a bottle of water, and watch their squad mates patch targets. But hey, it's the way it is.
However, I don't think that's really what "work" means in this case. Work means being on the ranges when you are NOT shooting, to help patch, repair props etc... and hopefully donate a few hours before or after the match to help setup or tear down.
It burns me like nothing else to see the lazy people sit back in the shade with a bottle of water, and watch their squad mates patch targets. But hey, it's the way it is.
However, I don't think that's really what "work" means in this case. Work means being on the ranges when you are NOT shooting, to help patch, repair props etc... and hopefully donate a few hours before or after the match to help setup or tear down.
