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Hmm
You should shoot a pit that I am CROing....
None of that sort of crap is tollerated at all......
2008 Quebec IPSC Provincials
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Hmm
You should shoot a pit that I am CROing....
None of that sort of crap is tollerated at all......
Most areas are in need of people to help out to make a match a success Anyone who is not willing to help because I payed to shoot not to work attitude SHOULD stay home and do everyone a favor
We do not need people who like to complain and not help out
I'm sure (and I hope ) It's a VERY small minority with such a attitude
Here work is a condition of our matches
With out people to work we would have no matches to attend
We do not need people who like to complain and not help out
I'm sure (and I hope ) It's a VERY small minority with such a attitude
Here work is a condition of our matches
With out people to work we would have no matches to attend
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I'm gonna step in here again...just to defend PMT.
I know what he was trying to say...even though the message seems to have gotten lost...
He does work...and as long as he's needed...not just 3 hours. And he does so at his own discretion...because he wants to (not becuase he has to)
I believe (because he and I have talked about this in the past) that the message is...if you mandate people to work x number of hours...people will work x number of hours...no more and no less. That the ideal situation would be find a way to encourage more members to share the load voluntarily...
That being said...a lack of sufficient volunteers is not a QC phenominum...we have the same issues in Ontario (even with 1,000 members)...and we've lost alot of good people that just got tired of carrying the load.
Sad fact is...there's no perfect solution...
I know what he was trying to say...even though the message seems to have gotten lost...
He does work...and as long as he's needed...not just 3 hours. And he does so at his own discretion...because he wants to (not becuase he has to)
I believe (because he and I have talked about this in the past) that the message is...if you mandate people to work x number of hours...people will work x number of hours...no more and no less. That the ideal situation would be find a way to encourage more members to share the load voluntarily...
That being said...a lack of sufficient volunteers is not a QC phenominum...we have the same issues in Ontario (even with 1,000 members)...and we've lost alot of good people that just got tired of carrying the load.
Sad fact is...there's no perfect solution...
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create a master race of RD/RM/GM shooters who can setup, RO, and shoot perfectly, then use them to take over the world
oops, What I ment to say was,,, um,,,, I knooooow naaaaw-thiiiing! 
1. We could make it like high school where a percentage of your mark (score) was based on your participation. (LOL)
Or
2. We could make it so socially vile to be a lazy ass in this sport that you would prefer to be at work rather then catch the evil eye of one of your fellow shooters for being a sloth.
Or
2. We could make it so socially vile to be a lazy ass in this sport that you would prefer to be at work rather then catch the evil eye of one of your fellow shooters for being a sloth.
Thanks for the support Quigley.
I really am not a whiner...but I also am not a sheep. I know this is a volunteer sport, and I do volunteer. I took the RO course less than a year after getting my BB, and hope to do the CRO course soon. I help when I can - but it's on my terms as I also have a life outside of IPSC.
I know that I'm not the only person that feels that people should not be forced (voluntold?) to work a match. Every club seems to have it's core of workers that pull a match together. More people need to be encouraged, enticed, or tricked into helping.
Attitudes like the post above, with the large bold font, and the blah blah blah really rubbed me the wrong way, and does nothing more than try to belittle people. I have shot the Quebec Provincials in the past and you may be one of the great people I met at the match, but I will not work for you.
I still stand by what I said earlier (and this is just my own opinion) >> If you want to host a major match, and you feel the need to force people to work by threatening to not score them, then you need to re-think your desire to host the match as you obviously don't have the support you need.
Your attempt a humour had the the IPSC Ontario President shaking his head, and the Regional Director trying to confirm that you were joking. I'm certain you were joking................about the beer & women, I am concerned that any arbitration on the matter is already lost.
In the end, neither one of us will lose sleep over this - I will not be shooting your match...........this year.
For the record, I am not a GM or M - just a lowly B (I think) or maybe a C.
It's late and I'm ranting - anyway, good luck with your match - I sincerely mean that.
I really am not a whiner...but I also am not a sheep. I know this is a volunteer sport, and I do volunteer. I took the RO course less than a year after getting my BB, and hope to do the CRO course soon. I help when I can - but it's on my terms as I also have a life outside of IPSC.
I know that I'm not the only person that feels that people should not be forced (voluntold?) to work a match. Every club seems to have it's core of workers that pull a match together. More people need to be encouraged, enticed, or tricked into helping.
Attitudes like the post above, with the large bold font, and the blah blah blah really rubbed me the wrong way, and does nothing more than try to belittle people. I have shot the Quebec Provincials in the past and you may be one of the great people I met at the match, but I will not work for you.
I still stand by what I said earlier (and this is just my own opinion) >> If you want to host a major match, and you feel the need to force people to work by threatening to not score them, then you need to re-think your desire to host the match as you obviously don't have the support you need.
Your attempt a humour had the the IPSC Ontario President shaking his head, and the Regional Director trying to confirm that you were joking. I'm certain you were joking................about the beer & women, I am concerned that any arbitration on the matter is already lost.
In the end, neither one of us will lose sleep over this - I will not be shooting your match...........this year.
For the record, I am not a GM or M - just a lowly B (I think) or maybe a C.
It's late and I'm ranting - anyway, good luck with your match - I sincerely mean that.
You bring up some good point pmt, I think I for one kinda misunderstood your initial post, and I agree 100% with everything you said.
Like every single IPSC work thread i've read.. there are always two sides to this coin... maybe even three lol.
I think the common denomintor is always the slouches, who take for granted all the hard work that is put in by so many people. They show up, shoot the match, spend most of their non-shooting time socializing, cleaning mags, taking half a dozen "bathroom breaks"... and then leave immediately after shooting their last stage.
If everyone put in a minimal effort to help out at each match, these debates would cease to exist. Phil is one hell of an asset to the IPSC community, without a doubt, and I think he is just getting tired of seeing certain people take everyone's hard work for granted.
Like every single IPSC work thread i've read.. there are always two sides to this coin... maybe even three lol.
I think the common denomintor is always the slouches, who take for granted all the hard work that is put in by so many people. They show up, shoot the match, spend most of their non-shooting time socializing, cleaning mags, taking half a dozen "bathroom breaks"... and then leave immediately after shooting their last stage.
If everyone put in a minimal effort to help out at each match, these debates would cease to exist. Phil is one hell of an asset to the IPSC community, without a doubt, and I think he is just getting tired of seeing certain people take everyone's hard work for granted.
Next time you want some humour, just don't send me a nasty french PM because I said my oppinion about how Quebec people should get at least 30% of the spot in a Quebec provincial. I NEVER said I wanted it to be QC only as I know any member of IPSC can shoot it.
It was completely unsportmanship on your part and you lost a full day worker.
Well I'm pretty sad for the 3 hour of mandatory work, I have work at a few matches in quebec(I always volunter for working matches), but I was going to ask to shoot Friday afternoon because of my work it's the only time I could get, oh well I did enjoy shooting the previous Que prov's...have fun, Daniel D.
I was surprised with how some people responded in this thread. We are a volunteer sport and without everyone pulling together this sport will go no where. In BC it is mandatory to work every match you attend. No exceptions. That way everyone shares the load on Match Day. Where we have a problem is finding volunteers for setup,teardown, and Match Directors. Most of the time it is the same couple of people doing the pre and post match work.
DVC
DVC
I think the cominality here (between BC and QC) is the is the half day format (shoot AM / Work PM...or vice versa)
If you tried it on matches (other than the Nats) where you had full day shoots...I would imagine it would be more of an issue...because it would now be a multiple day commitment.
Before anyone pipes in...regarding the half day format...
You can only shoot so many stages / ranges in a half day...which limits the amount of shooters for a given match (or the number of stages)...so while I agree that a half day shoot is a great idea...there will be circumstances (based on number of shooters) where it simply won't work.
If someone can map out for me how you could put 250ish shooters through a Level 3 (Thurs - Sunday) in a single half day shoot...I'd be genuinly interested in hearing how...
Cheers
Don't take my post as someone that doesn't want to work, I have work plenty outside my section and I'm always happy to do so but...this time my schedule doesn't allow me to do so....I'm not from Quebec so for me to shoot this match, could only be done on Friday aft..that is from looking at my schedule at this time....I can live without shooting it! but it's a match that I really like, and have shoot every year for the last few years.
Hi Quigley,
At the majority of the ranges that I have been to in Canada, it is not physically possible to run 250 people through in a half day. Just do the math and you will see that it is unrealistic.
At our facility the most competitors that I have run through in day at a match is 147. This is a very hectic pace. If I was organizing a two day match with 250 competitors, I would split them. Work one full day, shoot the other. So when the first 125 were competitors were going through there would be 125 officials/helpers, brass pickers, etc to put the match on. The next day the groups would swap duties. The above format is used for 8 active ranges.
DVC
At the majority of the ranges that I have been to in Canada, it is not physically possible to run 250 people through in a half day. Just do the math and you will see that it is unrealistic.
At our facility the most competitors that I have run through in day at a match is 147. This is a very hectic pace. If I was organizing a two day match with 250 competitors, I would split them. Work one full day, shoot the other. So when the first 125 were competitors were going through there would be 125 officials/helpers, brass pickers, etc to put the match on. The next day the groups would swap duties. The above format is used for 8 active ranges.
DVC
I knew that already...just trying to highlight the diffrent challenges faced by different sections.(without sounding like a know it all)
QC currently does a half day shoot, about 8 stages on 3 ranges. They put through about 130ish...and that's pretty much maxed
Wow, I showed up late to this party!
I'm going and I'm going to work but not because I'm told to because I want to. IPSC PQ has awesome hard-working members who need/want help and who run some if the best matches in the country.
You want to compete, you have to put something back in sometimes.
Now where the hell is the registration form???
trit
I'm going and I'm going to work but not because I'm told to because I want to. IPSC PQ has awesome hard-working members who need/want help and who run some if the best matches in the country.
You want to compete, you have to put something back in sometimes.
Now where the hell is the registration form???
trit
Now where the hell is the registration form???
trit
IPSC Quebec website. try this link
http://www.ipscquebec.org/Provincials/Prov2008/2008%20prov.doc
