2009 Alberta IDPA Provincial Championships
- Thread starter Dragoon
- Start date
- Location
- Prince George B.C.
I was refering to holding a Canadian Nationals. Once you guys in Alberta get your Provincials sanctioned we will have two next door to each other...well sort of close
With the clubs in B.C., Alberta and now Ontario getting going we could have a kick-ass Nationals...just need enough sanctioned matches to make the requisite two available to everyone.
Could be great once everyone gets rolling
With the clubs in B.C., Alberta and now Ontario getting going we could have a kick-ass Nationals...just need enough sanctioned matches to make the requisite two available to everyone.
Could be great once everyone gets rolling
- Location
- Peace River, Alberta
Sanctioned matches
I was thinking about hosting a sanctioned match up in Peace River this summer.
I am trying to see what the participation numbers would be to make it happen.
Greg
I was thinking about hosting a sanctioned match up in Peace River this summer.
I am trying to see what the participation numbers would be to make it happen.
Greg
Dragoon
"3 out of 4 of the Canadians at the 2008 IDPA Nationals didn't have two sanctioned matches under their belt yet still went. Hell, one had never been to a sanctioned IDPA match in his life and yet he was selected as an SO! "
Who? To my knowledge there were only two Canadian SO's at the Nationals last year and both have shot sanctioned matches, both are experienced IDPA Safety Officer Instructors and fully qualified to complete the required duties as SO's. You seem to be suggesting they weren't qualified which was not the case.
IF you wish to discuss this further with me do so by email or PM.
Take Care
Bob
"3 out of 4 of the Canadians at the 2008 IDPA Nationals didn't have two sanctioned matches under their belt yet still went. Hell, one had never been to a sanctioned IDPA match in his life and yet he was selected as an SO! "
Who? To my knowledge there were only two Canadian SO's at the Nationals last year and both have shot sanctioned matches, both are experienced IDPA Safety Officer Instructors and fully qualified to complete the required duties as SO's. You seem to be suggesting they weren't qualified which was not the case.
IF you wish to discuss this further with me do so by email or PM.
Take Care
Bob
That is very true, When Steve, Jeff and myself started IDPA in Canada, we worked with the IDPA HQ . We (Canada) were given an exemption from the IDPA HQ for ALL CANADIAN IDPA competitors to be allowed to attend the Nationals without having 2 official matches. We have posted these facts on our website and on numerous forums since our inception. Even you know that.
As the IDPA Area Coordinator for Eastern Canada I was selected as an S.O. for the Nationals and did in fact S.O. every competitor on the indoor stage... even you. I did an excellent job and have been offered to S.O. at the next years Nationals.
While at the Nationals, I was able to discuss IDPA Canada with Robery Ray and Bill and Joyce Wilson from Wilson Combat. As an Ambassador for the sport here in Canada, we discussed the growth potental in Canada and some of our Laws which make it a lttle imposing on our sport. We also discussed running a few matches in Afghanistan for security contractors while we are working over there. It was a fruitful meeting and they we made aware of the difficulies at this time to run sanctioned matches in Canada.
I am going to be in Berrysville, Arkansas and Steve will be flying in from Afghanistan and will be meeting with Robert Ray again in April. I am sure to bring your concerns and you up at that meeting.
As with all the people who know you, and any that will listen to you, you make it quite clear you do not like me, or that you do not reconize IDPA in Canada, the offical Website or our Area and National Coordinators. Your attitude towards us is quite unethical, more laughable than ever.
As a suggestion to you "Why not Be a part of the solution, not the constant part of the Problem here in Canada"
If we want the sport to grow in Canada, we will have to learn to work together for the better of the sport in Canada.
If it is not sanctioned I will be deeply sad, the only way to legitimize the sport is to have sanctioned matches, sanctioned nationals and sanctioned provincials.... that shows the goverment we are a legitimate sport and not just a dog and pony show.
till then it is just another club "match".... I don't see how he could call it the "Alberta IDPA Provincials" if he did not get it sanctioned..... it would just be the "ATHL Year End Club Match".
I know it was sanctioned two years ago, not sure about last year if there was one, it just seems there are people associated with IDPA in Canada that have a bone to pick with him and I think it may affect things higher up.
- Location
- Prince George B.C.
Yikes
WOW.....sounds like more going on here than a newbie like me wants to know
Maybe I'll wait a while before I make any travel plans.....
I would really like to shoot in another Provincials or whatever but in all honesty if there are some weird politics going on it may be better to pass for now...
Maybe Peace River???????????
WOW.....sounds like more going on here than a newbie like me wants to know
Maybe I'll wait a while before I make any travel plans.....
I would really like to shoot in another Provincials or whatever but in all honesty if there are some weird politics going on it may be better to pass for now...
Maybe Peace River???????????
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There was no application submitted last year to me.
If an application is submitted by the ATHL for the event to be sanctioned this year it will be dealt with as set out as set out in Westicles previous post. Once the course of fire are approved by me, the Application Fee, and Application Forms will be forwarded to HQ and the event santioned.
As Mass has stated posting of sanctioned matches appears on the HQ website. Sanctioned events also appear on the IDPA Canada website.
Nobody associated with IDPA Canada has a bone to pick with anyone. We are here to serve the members of IDPA and part of our duties is to expedite the sanctioning of events. The decision to apply for sanctioning is left to the clubs.
Take Care
Bob
If an application is submitted by the ATHL for the event to be sanctioned this year it will be dealt with as set out as set out in Westicles previous post. Once the course of fire are approved by me, the Application Fee, and Application Forms will be forwarded to HQ and the event santioned.
As Mass has stated posting of sanctioned matches appears on the HQ website. Sanctioned events also appear on the IDPA Canada website.
Nobody associated with IDPA Canada has a bone to pick with anyone. We are here to serve the members of IDPA and part of our duties is to expedite the sanctioning of events. The decision to apply for sanctioning is left to the clubs.
Take Care
Bob
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It's absolutely grand (sarcasm) that this thread has had the effect of having someone write, "I would really like to shoot in another Provincials or whatever but in all honesty if there some weird politics going on it may be better to pass for now...."
Outstanding.
Outstanding.
Politics aside,
This was the ATHL's second year going. I think most of the guys in the ATHL were concentrating on recruitment of new members to the club and to IDPA and hosting top notch matches. I think the match I MD'd had about 39 shooters out. This is a fantastic club looking to grow.
While having sanctioned matches would be great, it is not always as easy as it may seem...there are a lot of varriables we are dealing with, and often our primary goal was to ensure the match happened.
This was the ATHL's second year going. I think most of the guys in the ATHL were concentrating on recruitment of new members to the club and to IDPA and hosting top notch matches. I think the match I MD'd had about 39 shooters out. This is a fantastic club looking to grow.
While having sanctioned matches would be great, it is not always as easy as it may seem...there are a lot of varriables we are dealing with, and often our primary goal was to ensure the match happened.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
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- Location
- Prince George B.C.
Variables?
I don't know what variables you might be refering to but I would think sanctioning a 'Provincial Championship' would be SOP....no?
If it is even a question the red flags go up for me.
I have looked at a lot of the threads of your shoots. Looks like a lot of fun and I would really like to come out your way.
But in the interests of supporting IDPA Canada I would give my preference to sanctioned matches. Meaning that my travel dollars are limited and if I have a choice between going to sanctioned vs non-sanctioned shoots I will support the club paying the sanction fee first.
But that is just my preference
regards,
John
I don't know what variables you might be refering to but I would think sanctioning a 'Provincial Championship' would be SOP....no?
If it is even a question the red flags go up for me.
I have looked at a lot of the threads of your shoots. Looks like a lot of fun and I would really like to come out your way.
But in the interests of supporting IDPA Canada I would give my preference to sanctioned matches. Meaning that my travel dollars are limited and if I have a choice between going to sanctioned vs non-sanctioned shoots I will support the club paying the sanction fee first.
But that is just my preference
regards,
John
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I don't know what variables you might be refering to but I would think sanctioning a 'Provincial Championship' would be SOP....no?
If it is even a question the red flags go up for me.
I have looked at a lot of the threads of your shoots. Looks like a lot of fun and I would really like to come out your way.
But in the interests of supporting IDPA Canada I would give my preference to sanctioned matches. Meaning that my travel dollars are limited and if I have a choice between going to sanctioned vs non-sanctioned shoots I will support the club paying the sanction fee first.
But that is just my preference
regards,
John
I can only speak for myself, but the variables I refer to is life in general:
These two monkeys, amongst other 'stuff' ensures I'm kept on my toes.
While I agree with your comment in principle, my first and foremost consideration is to ensure the match happens.
Stages need to be designed, props need to be made, targets, tape, paint, and a host of other supplies need to get up to the range, word needs to get out, volunteers need to be organized, etc. etc.
My next consideration with a new club is to ensure we have regulars continue, and new blood joininig the sport. This is harder than it seems.
While I'd love to do what is necessary to attract out of province shooters, the reality is I'd much rather attract 10 new locals that have the potential to become regulars than have a couple of guys from one province over once a year.
I only directed one match last year, and can tell you it was an eye opener.
Unless someone has done it for real, they have no comprehension of how much time it sucks up.
I know full well that I did not experience the full weight of what needed to happen as Mass still did the majority of work. Truth is, it wouldn't have happened without him.
If I managed to get all of what is 'required' with the exception of #1 and #10, and still have a good match, (which happened) then I count that as a success.
Some people on this forum, reading and posting in this thread need to put this into perspective.
Whatever personal issues you have, you cannot deny the following:
Massimo is directly responsible for the sucesses we have had with ATHL.
It is the most successful IDPA affiliated club in Canada, and has the likelyhood of having the bigest growth potential. It would not have happened without him. Full stop.
