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2013 IPSC Canadian Nationals
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I thought all your hate mail went directly to your personal email account.
Nut sure where you got that someone is unwilling to patch and reset targets... It is always been a job for everyone on the squad who is not on deck or just finished shooting. But it is nonsense to request competitors who will be shooting at the afternoon to patch for some other lazy competitors who are shooting at the morning.
In my view the only requirement to work at the Nationals should be for additional stage ROs and only if match is not able to fill up official positions using local resources.
so much butthurt in this thread. who said anything about not patching? whats being suggested is that the shooters patch for their own squad instead of sitting around like a bunch of premadonnas having other people patch for them. we don't feel we are blessing you with our presence, but we are paying for a service (the match). The fact that the people who busted their asses to build the match pay the same entry fee as everyone else is a massive insult to those workers. its a pretty simple concept, take care of your staff. instead of giving a "thanks for showing up" goodie bag to every competitor take those funds and discount the match for anyone who helped build it. even an @55hole like myself knows to do that. when you have dedicated match staff, send all the sponsor prizes their way first. if there are 3 guns donated, random draw 2 for the staff and 1 for the competitors. we have enough people to draw from to fully staff a national match if they are given the proper incentives for their time/effort/travel. yes this will cause an increase in the match fee, but in return we will be getting a better match for the money. this may also turn away the more casual shooter who isn't willing to pay the increased match fee, so be it. Its not a local club match where you go to hang out with your buddies and play with your guns too, this is the match to crown the top IPSC shooters in the nation. it should test their shooting abilities, not their stuffed animal holding or fiddeling around with pointless crap abilities. there shouldn't be the question of would the results have turned out different if the 2nd place guy didn't have to work all morning before shooting the toughest stages while the winner got to shoot those fresh and work afterwards. or if the reason someone won the memory stage was because they were better or because they patched it all day and got to scope it out between every squad. there have been some great suggestions brought up here but every time they are meet with crying and contempt. case in point I bring up the inherent problem of having a plate as an activator, and im demonized. there is still time to fix the issue by changing the targets or sourcing a proper activating target, a popper which can be calibrated and have the calibration challenged in the case of it not falling after a hit as opposed to a plate which cant be challenged. but rather then see the possible issue and solution its looked at as someone #####ing about all the hard work and effort going into the match.
Well you and euxx have your opinion and the match directors have theirs. We are hosting the largest IPSC Canadian Nationals ever. The MDs have seen many large matches where only a few competitors worked to score and patch. You and Euxx, ,may be diligent and all that but if you are the only ones patching and scoring for your squads the nationals will take more than 4 days to run everybody through. This is going to be an incredible match, the MDs are doing the best they can to run it as efficiently as possible so everyone can enjoy all of the match. As for how capital and labor are allocated they did the best that they could. They did far better than I could have and I appreciate everything that everyone did.
Maybe you could do much better. I would not criticize you even if there were some elements that I was not enthusiastic about. You would do your best as you would be hosting our sports national championship not some level 1 club shoot.
Maybe you could do much better. I would not criticize you even if there were some elements that I was not enthusiastic about. You would do your best as you would be hosting our sports national championship not some level 1 club shoot.
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It is the largest ever because of the overwhelming response. People anticipated that this would be a great match so they signed up it record numbers and in record time. The organizers are trying their best to allow as many as possible to enjoy this match.
On second thought your right. It is going to be terrible. An awful match. Stay home, Save your gas money and do not waste your ammo on this terrible match. Maybe watch Seinfield you will have a lot more fun.
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So you admit that your claim is false? In order to be right fully called the largest it would have to be a claim based on the quantity of a certain aspect. Most rounds, most stages, most competitors. Any or all of those together do not automatically go hand in hand with quality. If you want the record for sell out time just offer less spots. Letting in too many people can ruin the operation of a match. Happened last year in Vegas at the limited nationals
That's rather rude and disrespectful to say the match is going to be terrible. Think of all the hard work people have put into it.
That's rather rude and disrespectful to say the match is going to be terrible. Think of all the hard work people have put into it.
are you basing this on all your experience running matches? He answered your question. How can you compare Vegas and Summer Slam/ Dalhousie if you have never been to a match at Dalhousie?
Aside from the more famous shooters showing up in Vegas ( I was there in 2011), Summer Slam is a better match...better run and more work put into stages. If I know Serge and Chris and the folks from up that way, and from what I have seen, heard, ...this match will be better. Seriously Mike...why the hate on for just about everything and everyone?
I do attend quite few LIII matches every year, and on this you are totally wrong. Shooters always patch, and usually super squads are known for excellent patching. Yes, there could be a one person, who seats and smokes a cigarette, but there is always one in anything. Patching is part of the game and I agree with Madness and Euxx that we should not work before we shoot. Just think this way, those who have to come early to the range and patch before they shoot, what kind of job they gonna do?? Lousy for sure, all they gonna think is their match and they will be pissed at people who made come early before their schedule shooting.
Yup in have no experience running matches at all so I'm a #### for pointing out how craming too many people into a match is a bad idea and giving an example but you can state that summer slam is better then US nats and expect to be taken seriously? Just because the props and walls look cool doesn't mean the important part of the match will be good.
so I'm a #### for pointing out how craming too many people into a match is a bad idea and giving an example but you can state that summer slam is better then US nats and expect to be taken seriously? Just because the props and walls look cool doesn't mean the important part of the match will be good.So, the biggest match (maybe even oversold) and still no squad and workers schedule 3 weeks before match? That is a first sign of potential major disaster to me... The match crew maybe very busy building props and going to a local parades, but failing to communicate to your competitor who paid for the show is one of a good way to screw all the great work that been put in.
Yup in have no experience running matches at all
Because it is the truth. Were you at the 2011 USPSA Nationals? It was a good match,...but if you stood in line like I did for hours, you would not be raving about it. Stages were ok...not overly challenging and with the money going into it, I guess I expected more.... Your going off in different directions. You said it was a ####show...I did not realize you were given a pass for being ignorant and we should all agree with you. Being concerned about scheduling is fine, I would like to know asap as well. You were being a ####, ignorant and no one here has said anything to the contrary; in fact, you pissed off some people and passed judgement on a match you have never been to or even seen. You realize the match organizers have scene this thread, and were likely insulted by your comments. As far as I know, the only ones agreeing with you are Eugene and the guy with a $1000 cell phone.
SO ,...what is the important part of the match? Knowing who you have to carpool with and when you have off time? I thought stage designs and quality were important?
hopefully, we will all come to realize that their are some things more important than knowing about your schedule 3 weeks out..like getting along and being polite to one another.....although we have different views about how to treat other people. I am of the school of having manners and being polite until someone gives you reason to not be polite. I know all the folks from Restigouche, and I consider them all my good friends. I guess you have both hit a nerve with the derailment of this thread and my part in it.
The folks from Restigouche deserve better. I apologize to them, and look forward to having a great time at the match. Cheers
Mo Hepworth
The folks from Restigouche deserve better. I apologize to them, and look forward to having a great time at the match. Cheers
Mo Hepworth
Mo, you can't make any arrangements if you don't know what to arrange for. Especially with everyone staying at different hotels over half an hour in every direction from the range. I for sure don't want to leave it for the last minute.
You really want to Talley up match experience mo? The important part isn't the paint on the walls or the fancy props. It's the challenge and quality of the target arrangements. It's the scheduling. It's the quality of the officiating. No I wasn't at the 2011us nats, but it was at 2012, 2008,2007,2005,2006.plus a few area matches, state championships, and sectional championships every year since 2003. Us nationals has a higher match fee to pay for quality match staff. They cover part of their travel expense. Cover their room/breakfast/lunch and give them a prediam for dinner. There is a line up of qualified ro's wanting to get on the nationals staff for a reason. If you order a gun from a builder and it's not built well, will you accepting worked real hard on it" as a viable excuse? Even if you know the guy who built it?
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