2014 IPSC worthy pistols. Which one?
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There is a lot of CZ SP-01's on the line in IPSC, nice shooting gun but I went with a SIG p226 just because I hate manually decocting the hammer, I have seen someone let the hammer slip and send a round off down range. sucks to have a DQ like that.
1riot1ranger
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#1 choice =#10 (and only because I think Classic is what the cool kids shoot)
#2 choice = #2 on the list
#3 choice = #3 on the list
I'd avoid most of the others on the list for a variety of reasons:
* a glock 41 would be fun for SD, but expensive to shoot. Glock 35 would be a better choice.
* A sig 320 is DAO (unless there is a DA/SA version). Long shots would be slow with that trigger. We had a 62m shot at one match this year... I felt for the guys using PD guns with poor triggers.
* Parts are an issue for the other pistols. Guns break when you shoot them a lot. Even Glocks. I've had (in the last 6 months) a barrel bushing break, a barrel link pin fail, slide stop break, a slide crack, and a front sight snap. Because I shoot a 1911, I can access parts from suppliers or other competitors. If you get a CZ 75 or a 1911 you will always be able to get parts at a match to keep you in the game - because that's what everyone else is shooting. And because CZ75s are so popular, there is a short list of parts you can buy (based on common failures). 1911s are a little more individual, so the list of recommended spares is longer.
Good luck with your selection.
#2 choice = #2 on the list
#3 choice = #3 on the list
I'd avoid most of the others on the list for a variety of reasons:
* a glock 41 would be fun for SD, but expensive to shoot. Glock 35 would be a better choice.
* A sig 320 is DAO (unless there is a DA/SA version). Long shots would be slow with that trigger. We had a 62m shot at one match this year... I felt for the guys using PD guns with poor triggers.
* Parts are an issue for the other pistols. Guns break when you shoot them a lot. Even Glocks. I've had (in the last 6 months) a barrel bushing break, a barrel link pin fail, slide stop break, a slide crack, and a front sight snap. Because I shoot a 1911, I can access parts from suppliers or other competitors. If you get a CZ 75 or a 1911 you will always be able to get parts at a match to keep you in the game - because that's what everyone else is shooting. And because CZ75s are so popular, there is a short list of parts you can buy (based on common failures). 1911s are a little more individual, so the list of recommended spares is longer.
Good luck with your selection.
I'm glad to see that Springfield is making a 9mm RO. When that model first came out in 45ACP I asked if a 9mm was in the works and they said no. I guess they had enough inquiries to make one. I have a STI Spartan in 9mm right now and I'm very happy with it, good trigger and accurate but I would also buy the Springfield without hesitation. TC
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#2, #3 and/or a non-FPB CZ 75/85 series. Glock 17 seems to be popular too.
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Someone clue me in on this: The Cz's seem like super popular IPSC and IDPA pistols...
Why isn't the Jericho 941?
It was sold to me as "essentially an IWI Cz" What prevents it from being competitive? Mag release? Safety? Holster options? Just brand loyalty to Cz?
Why isn't the Jericho 941?
It was sold to me as "essentially an IWI Cz" What prevents it from being competitive? Mag release? Safety? Holster options? Just brand loyalty to Cz?
Someone clue me in on this: The Cz's seem like super popular IPSC and IDPA pistols...
Why isn't the Jericho 941?
It was sold to me as "essentially an IWI Cz" What prevents it from being competitive? Mag release? Safety? Holster options? Just brand loyalty to Cz?
Safety location is a big detractor for me. Don't own my M9 anymore for same reason.
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I just googled Jericho Slide Safety trying to figure out if there's an aftermarket extension. First image . . .
1riot1ranger
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CZ competition guns don't have a FPB, so the trigger pull is lighter than the non-competition variants. Should be a bit crisper, too.
CZ guns have a variety of factory parts available to them to make them slightly customized (safeties, sights, grips, and springs - basically the maximum you can modify and still stay in Production).
CZ guns have a "following" because they are good pistols with a great track record. The result is: you can get parts and accessories (holsters, magazines, mag pouches, etc) for them quite readily. This is particularly important if you are at a match and your slide release breaks (a known issue wih CZs)... Likely you will be able to find a replacement part - or a loaner gun than fits your holster. If the Jericho had come along first it might have a "following". Not that the Jericho isn't a good gun, it is. But the CZ pistol has momentum and you can't overcome that with a pistol that is the same/ not quite as good.
Many guns can be competitive in IPSC and win matches. Bob Vogel won the World Shoot with a Glock. There is nothing wrong with a Jericho - and if you get into IPSC you should "run what you brung" until you get a few matches under your belt. But if you are buying a competition gun, you need to consider the factors mentioned above: availability of parts and accessories, tweaks to optimize performance, and comparison to a known data set of performance.
CZ guns have a variety of factory parts available to them to make them slightly customized (safeties, sights, grips, and springs - basically the maximum you can modify and still stay in Production).
CZ guns have a "following" because they are good pistols with a great track record. The result is: you can get parts and accessories (holsters, magazines, mag pouches, etc) for them quite readily. This is particularly important if you are at a match and your slide release breaks (a known issue wih CZs)... Likely you will be able to find a replacement part - or a loaner gun than fits your holster. If the Jericho had come along first it might have a "following". Not that the Jericho isn't a good gun, it is. But the CZ pistol has momentum and you can't overcome that with a pistol that is the same/ not quite as good.
Many guns can be competitive in IPSC and win matches. Bob Vogel won the World Shoot with a Glock. There is nothing wrong with a Jericho - and if you get into IPSC you should "run what you brung" until you get a few matches under your belt. But if you are buying a competition gun, you need to consider the factors mentioned above: availability of parts and accessories, tweaks to optimize performance, and comparison to a known data set of performance.
1riot1ranger
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You are not required to have the safety engaged, just fully de-cocked.
"Aftermarket" safeties would move you to Standard or Open.
"Aftermarket" safeties would move you to Standard or Open.
I just googled Jericho Slide Safety trying to figure out if there's an aftermarket extension. First image . . .
The safety has nothing to do with it, and anyone that says that it is the reason you don't see them much in IPSC are people that don't participate in IPSC. Seeing that you don't need to use the safety for IPSC why is it a concern?
The main reason you do not see many of the Jerichos are because they are just not a common gun. Most people will say either get a CZ-75 Shadow, followed by expensive custom guns and then a random assortment of the next few popular guns. Other than that, the DA/SA setup is a tough sell for some people.
IPSC is interesting because some of the top shooters have favorites, like the CZ as an example, so it's all moneky see money do. There are guys thagt have never touched a CZ that will recommend a CZ, all just because everyone is trying to be the next top guy because the current top guy uses a CZ.
You can only buy so much skill until it's all up to the person with the gun.
