2016 Canadian IPSC Nationals

I'd make a sh!tty pretzel.
as for my comment of the match being "meh" I'm basing that off the last match Jim and his crew ran, which was phenomenal, as well as other matches I've shot this summer. Sorry for having high expectations for something I'm spending thousands of dollars on to attend, have spent months preparing for (not that that showed in my actual shooting lol) and travelled back from Europe to attend
 
Thanks to Jim, the sponsors and all who made it possible. It was one of the most challenging matches I have shot and tested a very wide range of skills. It really exposed my weaknesses. It was a great experience for me and definitely showed me what I need to work on.
 
bizman89 said:
I tried and tried to ignore but couldn't anymore.

Dear Captain Peanut,

You are a twit (literally the definition of one). You were not there but you keep bringing up what you "heard" or were "told" like a little school girl spreading rumours, trying to stir up drama. Let the ones who were "wronged" voice the concerns, they do not need you to carry their torch. No one cares about your opinion in this matter as it has no substance or actual fact that you can swear to. Go and do something productive like sell some of your glasses etc. and please proof read and spell check your opinionated posts as they are hard on the brain.

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I don't think you can be more wrong. I wasn't there, but hearing what happened, from reliable sources and directly talking with two of the wronged shooters, I think every ipsc member in Canada has a right to want us to have good RO and CRO and RM running our matches, especially the Nats !
Anyone who knows me in person will tell you I'm an honest guy with lots of integrity ! I do care that our sport is great, etc.. and nothing wrong for wishing for that and having a voice for it.
That RO in the U.S. that cheated sooo many shooters on their times..... do U.S. shooters need to have been RO'd by him to voice an opinion, of holy crap... we don't want that guy RO'n our sport ? Anyone going by what seems to be undisputed facts, has a right to voice an opinion, etc..
You're right, the ones wrong should be more the ones complaining and they did, and I am merely supporting their complaints, cause, again I like to see the sport bring run fun and fair.
Calling someone names for wanting to better our sport, and rid of the bad apples, is not so kind

ps.. for the 3rd time, so you and others can differentiate, NONE of my comments have anything to do with a great match and hard work of the organizers... sometimes folks assume it's all same, but it's not !!
and this what forums are for
and you calling me a name for having an opinion in caring for our sport, is example of who might be the not so nice person :)

I'll stop beating this dead horse here...... these things can be dealt with in appropriate places.

Would be nice to see sme more pics and vids of the match folks..
 
Unfortunately I was way too deliberate and slow this year. Purely mental burnout I guess. Only have 6 stages out of 18 recorded.....
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Jim and Crew.

Thank you for volunteering your time and efforts to host the Nationals. Unless you have been a Nationals Match Director, and I have been one, No one will every realize how much you have to sacrifice to pull off this type of event. I enjoyed the match, stages were challenging, and all of the officials were polite and courtesy to my squad. You all deserve a well needed rest.

I hope you change your mind and host the nationals in five years agains, because if you do, I will attend.

DVC
 
You all are too thin skinned. If one cranky CRO is enough to make you lose your sh*t and have a bad match, then you are all wound too tight. If there's more than one cranky CRO, well, maybe you should look to yourself and your overinflated expectations of how they should be bowing and scraping down before you because they're not worthy to hold your timer. Get off your high horse, shrug it off, focus on what's important and quit your whining. Yes, it's the Canadian Nationals, but it's supposed to be fun. Some people don't seem to be happy unless they have something to complain about.

I honestly feel like Nationals is the time of year when people from each Province gather to see who can whine and ##### the most about other Provinces because they're bored of whining and #####ing about people in their own province....and funny thing is that all the whining and #####ing seems to happen online, behind the relative safety of username anonymity rather than at the match, in the faces of the people they have an issue with.

If you don't like the job that was done, step up and do it better next year. Being a CRO is not an easy job. I've done it, I had fun doing it, and I'd do it again, but I also appreciate the effort that each and every official puts into working the match because it's generally a thankless job.

Same with Match Director. Some of you have no clue how much work is involved in putting on the match and making sure that things run smoothly, and even when you think you have all of your ducks in a row, there is always going to be something you overlooked. An MD can't micromanage every detail; things get farmed out to committees and helpers, and there will always be things that get mixed up along the way, but they are always doing the best that they can to make the most enjoyable, most rewarding experience for everyone.

Next time you have a complaint at a match, think about what you did, personally, to help things move smoothly for that particular match, and not for some level III you ran last year. That one doesn't count.
 
Thanks Chris for posting the pictures and videos. Also makes our sponsors that provided banners very happy... (Yes I am still in that mode)

If you or anyone else wants me to post pictures on our FB group, send me a PM.

Appreciate you trying to get this back on track!
 
hungrybeagle said:
You all are too thin skinned. If one cranky CRO is enough to make you lose your sh*t and have a bad match, then you are all wound too tight. If there's more than one cranky CRO, well, maybe you should look to yourself and your overinflated expectations of how they should be bowing and scraping down before you because they're not worthy to hold your timer. Get off your high horse, shrug it off, focus on what's important and quit your whining. Yes, it's the Canadian Nationals, but it's supposed to be fun. Some people don't seem to be happy unless they have something to complain about.

I honestly feel like Nationals is the time of year when people from each Province gather to see who can whine and ##### the most about other Provinces because they're bored of whining and #####ing about people in their own province....and funny thing is that all the whining and #####ing seems to happen online, behind the relative safety of username anonymity rather than at the match, in the faces of the people they have an issue with.

If you don't like the job that was done, step up and do it better next year. Being a CRO is not an easy job. I've done it, I had fun doing it, and I'd do it again, but I also appreciate the effort that each and every official puts into working the match because it's generally a thankless job.

Same with Match Director. Some of you have no clue how much work is involved in putting on the match and making sure that things run smoothly, and even when you think you have all of your ducks in a row, there is always going to be something you overlooked. An MD can't micromanage every detail; things get farmed out to committees and helpers, and there will always be things that get mixed up along the way, but they are always doing the best that they can to make the most enjoyable, most rewarding experience for everyone.

Next time you have a complaint at a match, think about what you did, personally, to help things move smoothly for that particular match, and not for some level III you ran last year. That one doesn't count.
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I go to see my friends from around the country...and where the hell were you?
 
hungrybeagle said:
If you don't like the job that was done, step up and do it better next year.
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Word! I see the same crap with my other sports. The people who do nothing but criticize and run off at the mouth as if they're "experts" on just about everything NEVER actually organize a tournament. Props to the hardy souls who talk the talk AND walk the walk. Thank you for your service.
 
And you weren't there. If it was just one or two people complaining you might have a point, but when it's 40 or 50 from different squads and even a section coordinator or two, well that's a different story. And yeah it can rattle people, especially new shooters, when they get crapped on by a RO or CRO, or others. And when it happens repeatedly, well, then it starts to bother more people. Or how about being a top shooter in PD and getting bumped to Open after being setup by that very CRO by the way he ran the stage, think that doesn't piss someone off? Because, it does. Then how about being told you're getting a DNF on your next stage by the same CRO because you're filling out your arbitration form and trying to get it in before the 1hr limit runs out? How do you think that makes people feel? I've been to Nationals where we didn't have these problems and have seen the difference, this wasn't shooter induced, nor was it the Match Director's fault. This was people being mean or rude for absolutely no reason at all. And when nothing gets done about it at the match, people have every right to complain about it online, sure complaints are always louder than praise, that's pretty normal, but it's still their right, they paid their money, took the time to travel and attend. If people don't say something, nothing will ever change.The whole point of these forums is for people to engage in discussions about things, and sometimes those things are complaints. An IPSC match is no different than buying a gun, or a car. You pay your money for the match and you expect certain things, fair and equal treatment by the range officers is just a couple of those things and when people feel they didn't get that they absolutely have the right to #####. Yes our officials are volunteers, including those of us who RO'd for our 1 day of work, that doesn't give any of us a pass on acting like jerks to the competitors. it doesn't give any of us the right to insult them and call them names for asking simple questions or disagreeing with a call. I am constantly amazed at how often we are asked to just shut up about this crap like it's heresy to complain because "volunteers". I've run matches, sure not a nationals, but I've run matches, I've also run much larger events, and sometimes I've royally screwed up, to the point that others have had to step in and help me, or take over. I've taken the abuse, the complaints and the criticisms, seen that they were valid and vowed to do better the next time. And yeah, that was volunteering too, and yeah, it sucks sometimes when you think the complaints aren't valid, but when you get volumes of complaints chances are, they are legit.


hungrybeagle said:
You all are too thin skinned. If one cranky CRO is enough to make you lose your sh*t and have a bad match, then you are all wound too tight. If there's more than one cranky CRO, well, maybe you should look to yourself and your overinflated expectations of how they should be bowing and scraping down before you because they're not worthy to hold your timer. Get off your high horse, shrug it off, focus on what's important and quit your whining. Yes, it's the Canadian Nationals, but it's supposed to be fun. Some people don't seem to be happy unless they have something to complain about.

I honestly feel like Nationals is the time of year when people from each Province gather to see who can whine and ##### the most about other Provinces because they're bored of whining and #####ing about people in their own province....and funny thing is that all the whining and #####ing seems to happen online, behind the relative safety of username anonymity rather than at the match, in the faces of the people they have an issue with.

If you don't like the job that was done, step up and do it better next year. Being a CRO is not an easy job. I've done it, I had fun doing it, and I'd do it again, but I also appreciate the effort that each and every official puts into working the match because it's generally a thankless job.

Same with Match Director. Some of you have no clue how much work is involved in putting on the match and making sure that things run smoothly, and even when you think you have all of your ducks in a row, there is always going to be something you overlooked. An MD can't micromanage every detail; things get farmed out to committees and helpers, and there will always be things that get mixed up along the way, but they are always doing the best that they can to make the most enjoyable, most rewarding experience for everyone.

Next time you have a complaint at a match, think about what you did, personally, to help things move smoothly for that particular match, and not for some level III you ran last year. That one doesn't count.
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Rob, there is a world of difference between running a level II match (which I don't think you have even actually done) and running a Level III match....and then there is Level III Nationals, which is way different from a level III. Even officiating at a Level III is way different than officiating at a Nationals.

My other point would be that this is not the right forum for filing a complaint. This is not an official IPSC Canada discussion board. If you have a problem, write a letter, send it to the appropriate people: Your SC, the RD and the head of NROI. If Dairy Queen serves you a crappy tasting Blizzard, you don't complain to your friends, you go back to the counter and ask to speak to the manager, or you write a letter to corporate office. Your friends won't do much except say, "Yeah, that tastes pretty bad."

Pat, I decided to take a year off. ☺️ I still read, though. ��
 
I've actually run a few level II's, but I've also helped at a ton of III's both in Canada and abroad. I've been there during builds, I've been there during stage design, squading, and I've been there to RO, and occasionally was promoted to CRO for matches in BC, back in the day, and stayed to tear down. And I have written the letters, I wrote them last time we had a ####storm, wrote letters and emails prior to that, both within BC and Canada and never even heard a word back, not once. I've written letters about shooters cheating, changing stats, erasing stats, score sheets going missing, shooters who zeroed a stage suddenly winning them when results are posted (and no I am not referring to the Nationals when I mention these things), and I know I am not the only one who wrote letters or talked to the SC about it. I've written letters when a fellow competitor reduced a CRO to tears and ran another RO out of the match with his verbal abuse of them. Nothing, nada, zero. I've written letters when a fellow competitor was accusing another competitor of repeatedly sabotaging his ammo with squib rounds, both to MDs that the events happened at and our SC, giving my account of what I witnessed, again nothing, no reply. So where else would you suggest it get discussed?
you know why I won't run a match again? because the last two times I did (oh wait, I was just co-md so I guess it doesn't count), I was disgusted by the interference of the RMs with the matches. And I heard the same thing this weekend at the Nats from previous Nationals directors and why they won't do it again. It's not the shooters who ##### and complain that they see as the problem or the reason for their grief. Until that changes I will simply be a competitor and an RO and maybe, if the conditions are right a stage sponsor again, throwing a few thousand dollars and prizes at the match.
And yeah, actually, this is a venue to discuss it, we created this board just for things like this, it was part of our mandate when we started Gunnutz after Stormbringer got banned from Azzweb.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but when someone buys something and they don't like, like say a car or truck, or a gun, it's quite often discussed here. Even as they are dealing with the dealer they bought it from.
 
For the record I had no such issues last year. No arb'd, no RM problems, and no issues dealing with Sean or Clint, all of that ran very smooth for me.
 
js said:
Well to the people who actually posted positive comment thanks .
To the rest next time there is no one willing to host the Nationals as was the case this year I will not be stepping up ,you are the most ungrateful self centered bunch I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with. Slavex please send me the $50 dollars for shipping your stuff back from the last nationals that you have been welching on have for the last 6 years and if you like the matches in Europe feel free to stay there and never return .
This is the last Time I will ever step up to do the most Thankless job in our Sport.
Jim Smith
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damn, where is the like button!!
 
cbabes said:
Well I did have as many alphas as the best of them but they were slow alphas and my movement from position to position was lethargic. My buddy told me not to have ### with my wife before the match. I should have listened. :D
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### with your wife?...so that was you guys in the woods beside the parking lot. Interesting way the de-stress before shooting.
 
cbabes said:
Well I did have as many alphas as the best of them but they were slow alphas and my movement from position to position was lethargic. My buddy told me not to have ### with my wife before the match. I should have listened. :D
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Tmi...tmi....although pictures would have been grounds for a divorce i would think...lol.
 
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