2016 ORA outlook

No one knew the range closures were coming, yet several who have posted to the thread knew not to renewing their membership. It's like a kid with chocolate all over their face telling you they didn't eat any cookies...

Just do the honest thing and refund their money. Volunteer sob stories, scapegoating the PR MD and lame excuses to try and justify keeping their money to use for your "worlds" is just fanning the flames.
 
Still dancing around the real answers I see kombayotch. I am not trying to use anyone as a scapegoat, just asking the real questions that no one will answer. Let's just keep making accusations about using your money to fund other disciplines. There will be an audited financial statement available to all members at the March AGM. This issue about the PR program was brought up at the last council/finance meeting in January.
I am not sure what you are talking about when you say "your worlds". Are you talking about the DCRA F Class World Championship next year? That would be a DCRA sponsored event and has nothing to do with the ORA funds.
 
You're the one who dances around questions going off on tangents, telling stories and trying to point somewhere else avoiding real answers. It doesn't matter what the PR MD did or didn't do. It's no different than a corporation: the CEO is accountable for the actions of his subordinates and the effect that has on the overall success of the organization and of the individual divisions. If the PR MD was not trying to do the things you list, then the higher-ups (who as you keep pointing out know the system after dealing with it for years) should have asked why that was and should have corrected it. If he didn't know he could to do it, they should have told him. If he didn't know how to do it, they should have helped him. If he didn't want to do it, they should have replaced him. They are responsible for ALL of the members. If something is not working for one discipline, it's ultimately on them. Period! Trying to shift that blame down to a completely new person who hasn't been there for all those years, and doesn't know how things work (the things you so proudly brag about knowing, that take years to learn) IS scapegoating.

Even if they didn't know the ranges where all going to be closed (which is a stretch), they didn't do a thing to try and mitigate the impact on those members. Now they know the ranges were closed and some members got jack squat. The proper, honest thing to do is refund them.
 
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You're the one who dances around questions going off on tangents, telling stories and trying to point somewhere else avoiding real answers. It doesn't matter what the PR MD did or didn't do. It's no different than a corporation: the CEO is accountable for the actions of his subordinates and the effect that has on the overall success of the organization and of the individual divisions. If the PR MD was not trying to do the things you list, then the higher-ups (who as you keep pointing out know the system after dealing with it for years) should have asked why that was and should have corrected it. If he didn't know he could to do it, they should have told him. If he didn't know how to do it, they should have helped him. If he didn't want to do it, they should have replaced him. They are responsible for ALL of the members. If something is not working for one discipline, it's ultimately on them. Period! Trying to shift that blame down to a completely new person who hasn't been there for all those years, and doesn't know how things work (the things you so proudly brag about knowing, that take years to learn) IS scapegoating.

Even if they didn't know the ranges where all going to be closed (which is a stretch), they didn't do a thing to try and mitigate the impact on those members. Now they know the ranges were closed and some members got jack squat. The proper, honest thing to do is refund them.
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I'm a regional sales manager, I oversee 10 US states. I have those states broken into 6 territories for reps. Those reps each have their own distributors in there territory. If the ceo wants answers about a hospital built in one small town and we weren't involved because one of the distributors dropped the ball. The Ceo does not call the distributor, nor my rep. He calls me directly. It's called responsibility.

I don't give a flying .... Who dropped the ball. Point is I paid ORA for a service that they did not provide. Maynard I don't want to be apart of the votes, management or politics. As a matter of fact I'll pay more just to avoid it. I don't ##### and moan about how things are run and who runs them. I mind my own business. But I assume when I pay my fees in return I will get to shoot the matches that I love. And if you can't come thru and find TR to be more profitable. I'm ok with that. I won't stomp my feet. But just tell me and don't take my money is all I ask. I dont feel like I'm asking a whole lot.
 
Seeing how after 14 pages the outlook for 2016 looks as bleak or worse than it did on page one- I'd like to pose another question:

Is there any current movement to establish a PRS association in this country? If it cannot be done through ORA in Ontario, can it be done through DCRA, and if neither, what channels are available to start a ball rolling? (based on the significant assumption that such a concept is not already in the works) In short, how many Canadian pesos would a group need to incorporate, insure the board, and survive for a few year's of a POC trial?

It sounds like Meaford has very good potential as an event location. Yes, dealing with the military is not measured in weeks or months, but rather periods which can be best described as half-lives, but, for that reason, shouldn't the ball start rolling sooner than later. With the budgetary constraints of the organization in general, would they really be so short sighted to turn down income (range rental)? Wait, don't answer that. Regardless, there is opportunity here.

ORA is a great organization, but if there is a group within it which is no longer being adequately served, then it may be time to take advantage of the weather. Time for progress.
 
See posts #130 & 132. Nothing will happen until the visitors have left.

In the meantime, look at the BWSA schedule in the sticky at the top of the forum if you want to shoot PRS type matches close to Ontario. If you're in SW Ontario, the drive will be the same or less than what it is to go to Borden.
 
Highlights From the meeting yesterday
Range time
No 1000 yards at borden(mons)this year. Borden has been treating us fair for schedule this year so far. Long range events at connaught to be held. Winona no confirmed dates buts tons applied for. Cedar Springs limited due to no shooting on weekends.

Council was grilled fairly hard about expenses and such. Program fees may be going up in all disciplines but yet to be determined. Council addressed the issue of range.time loss and the new years fees are reflecting this.
Big discussion on having to get a membership for connaught to shoot practice days.

PR has Bob Raymond as director this year and he has a challeging COF but it is not finalized.
CQB has a new chairman and we have dates on the board scheduled.
TR will be running events at connaught mainly.
FCLASS has a new chairman and he has dates on the board but yet to be put on website.

It was a well attended and lively meeting.
 
S G;

Thanks for that update. Now to see if my membership paperwork/renewal is at home (just back from a week at my parents' place down in Nevada) to get the annual dues in....

Cheers,
Barney
 
Not renewing anything until I see dates. Even then I won't renew. Last year we had dates too. None happened. Goes to show all the previous arguements had a lot of truth to them. So TR, Fclass and CQB all have schedules made. PR just has "dates in".

I'll pay guest fees this year. By the looks of things we may not get to shoot enough to pay off the membership. And if they make guest feed outrageous to the point of forcing us to pay the membership. I'll just stay home.
 
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