2016 PRS - What The Pros Use

Thanks for the pics. Just bought bunch of Ruag 338LM brass from one of the sponsors. Suppose to be 1F but kinda dirty, had silver primer and no annealing like the Lapua brand but look good after wet tumble, kinda like one in your cartridge pic so maybe they were 1F.
The brass certainly looks well made, looking forward to using them. Have you reloaded Ruag brass?

PS. I like how you OCD every round in the box to have the T on top ;)
PS2. What does the T stand for?
Kevin M. said:
It's a load of fun, not cheap and pretty close to unobtanium though.
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burnaby said:
Thanks for the pics. Just bought bunch of Ruag 338LM brass from one of the sponsors. Suppose to be 1F but kinda dirty, had silver primer and no annealing like the Lapua brand but look good after wet tumble, kinda like one in your cartridge pic so maybe they were 1F.
The brass certainly looks well made, looking forward to using them. Have you reloaded Ruag brass?

PS. I like how you OCD every round in the box to have the T on top ;)
PS2. What does the T stand for?
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Hahah. Yep, RUAG brass is second only in quality to Lapua in my opinion. They make good brass. I wouldn't worry too much about dirty 1F ruag, most of mine has plenty of carbon fowling on the outside after the first firing, and while I don't know what the primer is, they do use silver primers on all their loads, even their standard 250gr ball loads which I have fired my fair share of boxes. I managed to snag a one time deal of 100 AP rounds from a private deal for many times the cost of standard factory .338 FMJ ammo. Have fired 6, and made 6 holes through this otherwise small arms impenetrable armored steel. Hard to justify poking holes in your own expensive armor plate after you know it will, but also hard to justify selling ammo that you know is worth a mint because of scarcity, but is hard to justify shooting on good steel more than a few times. It really is one of those times that you know you got taken on a ride for price, but it was 100% worth it because you know that it is such an exotic cartridge that has capabilities that nothing else will come close to matching.

One of those things haha.

Here's a factory link for some very basic info about the cartridge.

http://www.ruagswissp.com/products/armour-piercing/


As for the OCD, I honestly don't remember if it was me or RUAG that oriented the brass. Chances are it was me hahaaa.

The T stands for Thun. This is the shorthand for the Eidgennosiche Munitionsafabrik Thun, which translates to the "Federal Ammunition Factory of Thun", in Switzerland, which is RUAG.
 
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Kevin M.> Ended up mostly Ruag but also some Norma and Lapua. Weighted ten of each, typically 7-8 were within .2gn, with 1-2 flyers 1gn difference. Overall all three look to be top tier brass, no prep needed.

Kinda surprise AP rounds are legal; or perhaps the less said the better.

No doubt you OCD all the T to the top, I do the same for pics and all my stickers are perfectly aligned just because.

Did you actually know what the T stand for or looked it up.


And not to completely derail the thread thus far what scopes in March, what caliber in Feb. Wonder what is next and when?
 
burnaby said:
Kevin M.> Ended up mostly Ruag but also some Norma and Lapua. Weighted ten of each, typically 7-8 were within .2gn, with 1-2 flyers 1gn difference. Overall all three look to be top tier brass, no prep needed.

Kinda surprise AP rounds are legal; or perhaps the less said the better.

No doubt you OCD all the T to the top, I do the same for pics and all my stickers are perfectly aligned just because.

Did you actually know what the T stand for or looked it up.


And not to completely derail the thread thus far what scopes in March, what caliber in Feb. Wonder what is next and when?
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Rifle AP is perfectly legal, it is handgun AP that is not legal. I knew that it stood for Thun, but had to look up the rest of the name and translation because I couldn't remember it.
 
What the pros use ? I wonder ( I read it on another post about the scopes and it seemed to ring true )Is it manipulated by what company sponsers them ? Or does the shooter choose freely ?
 
Interesting to see a pretty even split between stocks vs chassis.... Manners definitely makes some very light stocks. MPA takes innovation to a new level... very impressive.

Be interesting if McMillan puts their stocks on a diet to keep up with Manners????

some very nice stuff...

Jerry
 
Keithjohn said:
What the pros use ? I wonder ( I read it on another post about the scopes and it seemed to ring true )Is it manipulated by what company sponsers them ? Or does the shooter choose freely ?
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I think the author answered that question very well under the scope post:

While sponsorships do influence this, I think it may be shortsighted to dismiss this because of sponsorships. Think about it: Most of these guys said they fire 300-400 rounds a month, and some do more than that. But for argument sake, lets take the low side and say that is 300 per month on average and the overwhelming majority handload … so with match-grade components that is going to cost about $1/round (if you ignore the cost of their time to do it). 300 x 12 x $1/rd = $3,600 for ammo. Then they will burn through at least one barrel per season, so that is another few hundred dollars. They sink hundreds of hours into practice and matches, which is a HUGE!!! Most of them travel to at least 5 or 6 multi-day matches a year, and each time have costs for fuel, hotel, meals, etc. … not to mention the amount of time they have to dedicate to do that. Plus the average entry fee for a match is probably $250. So you can see they spend THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and HUNDREDS OF HOURS before they ever set foot on the range for the season finale. Do you think they’d compromise their chances of landing on the leaderboard because someone offered them a free scope? I certainly wouldn’t, and the guys that I know personally that are represented in this list wouldn’t either. If they won something on the prize that they thought might cost them 1 point in a match, they would NOT run it. You don’t get to this level by making stupid decisions like that.
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Very few shooters get free equipment, and if they do, its from their primary sponsor. No manufacturer is handing out free stuff to everyone. A few other manufacturers may offer a good shooter a product at a nice discount. But, if they are a good shooter, they will probably get offers from multiple manufacturers. So, there is still choice. If a particular piece of equipment is really popular, there is a reason for it and most shooters using it are paying for it. Probably more than half of them are paying full price.
 
kombayotch said:
Scopes are up (been for a while).

FYI most of the GA Precision team shooters were ROing or helping run the Finale (even though they qualified). That accounts for much/most of the drop in Bushnell. Expect to see the number of GAP rifles to be lower as well when he posts the rfle builder stats.
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^^^
 
Would expect Shannon Kay to be using SMKR on Kahles but aside from that obvious observation ...
Keithjohn said:
What the pros use ? I wonder ( I read it on another post about the scopes and it seemed to ring true )Is it manipulated by what company sponsers them ? Or does the shooter choose freely ?
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A team is obviously going to be using the product(s) the team title sponsor is associated with. Team GAP will have rifles put together by GAP and most will use Bushnell scopes since those came from the owner's input. Shannon is obviously going to use the Khales for the same reason even though he shoots for Team GAP. I have also seen a GAP shooters with other optics but most will use Bushnell because of the link to GAP. Their stocks, triggers, barrels, slings, shooting bags however are all different. Team Surgeon all shoot Surgeon rifles for obvious reasons, but all use different optics, stocks and triggers. Team MPA use MPA chassis, but have different actions, barrels, scopes, triggers, etc...
 
kombayotch said:
Scopes are up (been for a while).

FYI most of the GA Precision team shooters were ROing or helping run the Finale (even though they qualified). That accounts for much/most of the drop in Bushnell. Expect to see the number of GAP rifles to be lower as well when he posts the rfle builder stats.
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thank you for the explanation on bushnell numbers dropped, really was wondering what was behind ...
 
medvedqc said:
thank you for the explanation on bushnell numbers dropped, really was wondering what was behind ...
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I was too. I thought it might have been because their new scopes didn't have locking elevation turrets.:p

I'm just joking but I wish they would have kept those.
 
kombayotch said:
First installment has been posted:
http://precisionrifleblog.com/2017/02/16/long-range-calibers-cartridges-what-the-pros-use/


Some good info. Was surprised there weren't more 6.5 Addictions (basically 6.5x55 AI). But, the stats are just for the Finale, not the entire season.

6BRX is almost identical to the Dasher.

7mm SAW is a 300 WSM necked down to 7mm.
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7mm SAW is actually the 308 Palma necked down to 7mm with shoulder pushed back to an improved angle. All die formed with no fireforming. West Texas Ordnance is claiming 2900fps with the 162-168gr bullets.
 
There was definitely a 300 WSM necked down to 7mm at the Finale. Brandon of APA was shooting it. We were picking it out of the brass pile before the awards and putting it aside for him. Maybe that is the other 7mm listed.
 
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