2017 Rifleman's Team Challenge

You can share stuff between teammates so unless they put actual restrictions, I'd imagine you'd still have a full complement of bags and a tripod. One guy carries the tripod, one guys carries the AR/pistol. Or maybe the young guy has to carry everything? ;)
 
I've shot a few of these matches. Carl Taylor directed matches which I have shot numerous times are awesome. You can bring all the kit you want. Some stages will specifically allow only certain things, or nothing at all. Those that have no restrictions....well if you are messing around to get set up you will time out. These matches don't give the unlimited prep time and the shooting time is typically very very short. If a partnership can fire off 20 rounds, 15 will be good. The will absolutely use the terrain to mess with you!

As for not talking, well there is a staging spot and then the shooting spot. Once you are done shooting you typically have to move off. There will be a chance to talk after of course, but any talk between teams during the stages is limited in scope as you cant really see what the shooters are doing if not impossible
 
Mystic Precision said:
Very interesting development and I am sure everyone sees it as a positive step. Wonder if they will start to put limits on shooting aids???

Jerry
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This is a different group than PRS (although mostly the same MDs), but there have been a lot of discussion about this in the PRS MD group and the MDs are opposed to restricting equipment through artificial means because it stifles the development of new technology and new techniques that ARE practical. That is what the NRA SR/CMP matches did and what advances in marksmanship ever came out of them? Zilch! They consider using the mag as a monopod a crutch and supporting the AR on the knee is a big no-no even though our guys have shown these to be a very effective techniques. Optic were even frowned upon until recently. They did not advanced anything in decades, which is what happens when you implement rigid rules on equipment and techniques. The consensus it to limit equipment using stage design and things like having to carry all of your equipment, and only limit equipment on certain stages where you are trying to test a specific skill and allowing certain things would negate that.
 
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kombayotch said:
This is a different group than PRS (although mostly the same MDs), but there have been a lot of discussion about this in the PRS MD group and the MDs are opposed to restricting equipment through artificial means because it stifles the development of new technology and new techniques that ARE practical. That is what the NRA SR/CMP matches did and what advances in marksmanship ever came out of them? Zilch! They consider using the mag as a monopod a crutch and supporting the AR on the knee is a big no-no even though our guys have shown these to be a very effective techniques. Optic were even frowned upon until recently. They did not advanced anything in decades, which is what happens when you implement rigid rules on equipment and techniques. The consensus it to limit equipment using stage design and things like having to carry all of your equipment, and only limit equipment on certain stages where you are trying to test a specific skill and allowing certain things would negate that.
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Yeah, I agree. I mean other than individual stages with gear limits, you're already limited both by having to carry your gear all day and by the clock. Odds are, if you can setup and get your shots off in under the allotted time using an aid/piece of gear you've humped around all day with you, it's actually a practical method/aid/technique.
 
rugbydave said:
Anyone else planning on joining the Rifleman's Team Challenge (http://www.riflemansteamchallenge.com) this year? Looks like really fun, challenging, 2 day 2 man matches. A few of us from BC are going to be doing them. The first match of the season (for the North West division) will be down at Rattlesnake Mountain on Feb 18-19. For those who shoot .308 there is a strict "Limited Division" that is exclusively .308 175gr at/below 2750fps and .223 77gr as well with more or less parity at the prize table, if I recall correctly. Should take the arms race outta limited for sure. Most of the COF is up to the individual match directors but there will always be an element of hiking as well as time limits between stages and often a pdw/pistol/carbine component as well.
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Team Insite Arms will be attending a few of the RTC matches with a few teams as well as some singles if desired. These matches are put on by my friend Clint Sharp and Carl Taylor of Inmotion targets, if you were at the 2016 SHC this is very similar to what the RTC is like as well as held on the same COF. More designed to add a real life like approach to the shooting aspect of it all, with some stages as well as COF being more skill based than game based with a possible physical condition aspect added. This is still really new as 2016 was a pilot year for it all and as it grows the guys are open to different stage ideas that will push the limits of knowledge and skill and be more representing of the "Field Type" match vs a gaming end of PRS style shoots.....but don't rule out PRS style shoots as I think everyone shoot shoot a few matches like that so you can really appreciate what RTC has to offer not only on a team aspect but an individual one as well. If anyone has any questions about it I can try to answer them to the best of my knowledge or ask Clint when I talk with him as well.
 
kombayotch said:
This is a different group than PRS (although mostly the same MDs), but there have been a lot of discussion about this in the PRS MD group and the MDs are opposed to restricting equipment through artificial means because it stifles the development of new technology and new techniques that ARE practical. That is what the NRA SR/CMP matches did and what advances in marksmanship ever came out of them? Zilch! They consider using the mag as a monopod a crutch and supporting the AR on the knee is a big no-no even though our guys have shown these to be a very effective techniques. Optic were even frowned upon until recently. They did not advanced anything in decades, which is what happens when you implement rigid rules on equipment and techniques. The consensus it to limit equipment using stage design and things like having to carry all of your equipment, and only limit equipment on certain stages where you are trying to test a specific skill and allowing certain things would negate that.
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I bandied around the idea of equipment limits on my matches and Komboyatch is right. Limiting gear stifles growth and doesn't really advance the sport.

Making stages more challenging/shorter times limts/having to lug it around all day will do this for you. Its not like you can use 10 bags and a tripod at the same time anyways.

I tried to use a tripod on one stage at the WRAS match. It was a monumental failure due to stage design.
 
Thorvikingpower said:
Team Insite Arms will be attending a few of the RTC matches with a few teams as well as some singles if desired. These matches are put on by my friend Clint Sharp and Carl Taylor of Inmotion targets, if you were at the 2016 SHC this is very similar to what the RTC is like as well as held on the same COF. More designed to add a real life like approach to the shooting aspect of it all, with some stages as well as COF being more skill based than game based with a possible physical condition aspect added. This is still really new as 2016 was a pilot year for it all and as it grows the guys are open to different stage ideas that will push the limits of knowledge and skill and be more representing of the "Field Type" match vs a gaming end of PRS style shoots.....but don't rule out PRS style shoots as I think everyone shoot shoot a few matches like that so you can really appreciate what RTC has to offer not only on a team aspect but an individual one as well. If anyone has any questions about it I can try to answer them to the best of my knowledge or ask Clint when I talk with him as well.
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Looking forward to meeting you guys!
 
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