20round Magazine Legality Question

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Just want to make sure to not do anything illegal, I have a 20 round magazine designed for a Remington 700 chasis that fit and fuctions in M305 rifle.
Unlike aia magazines this one doesn't have engraved marking on the side, however it's a single feed magazine that doesn't engage magazine hold open. Is this 20 round magazine legal to use in M305?
The magazine design is really crappy, if I fit the spring to the follower to ensure smooth feeding without touching anything on the magazine. The only thing I'm doing is bending and cutting the spring to help feeding reliability in it's original designed function. Does this considered modifying the magazine?
thanks for your help
 
This would be super easy to answer... until the "modification" step ;)

If you didn't have to change anything on the mag, no issues using it in another platform.

The mods, I don't know.. my gut says you can't... but I could be wrong.
 
You say it is in a Rem 700 chasis- that in itself is ok. 20 rnds in a bolt gun is ok.
But you say it is the same as a m-14 (m305) and if it fits in a semi auto... 5 rnds, no exceptions.
 
rosconow said:
You say it is in a Rem 700 chasis- that in itself is ok. 20 rnds in a bolt gun is ok.
But you say it is the same as a m-14 (m305) and if it fits in a semi auto... 5 rnds, no exceptions.
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Uh, no... hence why 10 round AR pistol mags are legal to use in AR rifles. If his mag was *designed* for the 700, there are no issues to use it crossplatform... Now if your mag doesn't have any "made for 700" on them, good luck defending that with a CO, cop, in court...

...until the RCMP deems them prohib like the 10/22 mags.


The thing here is that you're modifying the mag.
 
tharkhold said:
This would be super easy to answer... until the "modification" step ;)

If you didn't have to change anything on the mag, no issues using it in another platform.

The mods, I don't know.. my gut says you can't... but I could be wrong.
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I would have to say, you don't know the regs very well.
Even if you could justify it as a pistol mag somehow, pistol mags are limited to 10 rnds.
The only way you can legally get away with, in this case a 20 rnd mag, is if it can ONLY be used in a bolt action alone.
 
rosconow said:
You say it is in a Rem 700 chasis- that in itself is ok. 20 rnds in a bolt gun is ok.
But you say it is the same as a m-14 (m305) and if it fits in a semi auto... 5 rnds, no exceptions.
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Its not about which firearm the magazine fits or functions in. Its about what firearm the magazine was designed for. Pistol caliber carbines use 10 rd glock/ 1911/ beretta mags. LAR 10 rd pistol mags are legal to use in anthing that takes AR mags.

Magazines designed for centrefire rifles are limited to 5 rds. Magazines designed for pistols are limited to 10. Magazines designed for bolt action rifles have no capacity limit.

AIA mags fit an m14/ m305 but since the magazine was designed for a bolt action they are legal with a 10 round capacity.

OP:
As for your 700 mags...if you were repairing it for better reliability in your Remington 700 i think it wouldn't be an issue. Modifying it specifically to work in an m14 where it otherwise would not function, I would say No.
 
Don't want this to turn onto a pissing match.

I dare you to be the guy at a C.O. check stop who gets caught with a 20 rnd mag and a m305. (Plus the mag has no markings stating it is exclusively for rem 700). Good luck .
 
Id like to add that I agree with the above post which states that it might be tricky explaining to the police or a court that its a magazine for a 700 while using it in a m14/ m305 despite legality. especially since its an aftermarket chassis and it bears no markings to state its intended design. For me it wouldnt be worth it. Besides, .308 is expensive anyway!! lol! take your time with those 5 rounders and stretch out that ammo.
 
If the thing is commercially manufactured, surely there is product information, advertising, spec. sheets, whatever, establishing that it is designed and manufactured to be used with a bolt action rifle.
 
It's a double stack single feed magazine unlike the double stack double feed M14 magazine. Plus it doesn't have the square hole in the front for oprod spring guide. It's easy enough to tell the difference once put side by side. Highly unlikely the law enforcement would doubt it's originality from bolt gun.
The point is, I didn't modify the spring to make it work in M14, it works out of the box. However due to poor craftmanship the end of the spring did not fit in the groove in the follower that it was designed for, all I'm doing is bending the spring back to where it should be, hence should be fixing the magazine instead of modifing it.
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Thank you for your tips, indeed the repair was for it to function in it's original platform, has nothing to do with M14. The magazine would even jam from hand stripping rounds off the magazine.
C.308 said:
Its not about which firearm the magazine fits or functions in. Its about what firearm the magazine was designed for. Pistol caliber carbines use 10 rd glock/ 1911/ beretta mags. LAR 10 rd pistol mags are legal to use in anthing that takes AR mags.

Magazines designed for centrefire rifles are limited to 5 rds. Magazines designed for pistols are limited to 10. Magazines designed for bolt action rifles have no capacity limit.

AIA mags fit an m14/ m305 but since the magazine was designed for a bolt action they are legal with a 10 round capacity.

OP:
As for your 700 mags...if you were repairing it for better reliability in your Remington 700 i think it wouldn't be an issue. Modifying it specifically to work in an m14 where it otherwise would not function, I would say No.
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It's a promag aa700 magazine, I'm pretty sure the spec sheet and information is available from promag.
well the only downside is that due to it's single feed design it won't engage the bolt hold open and the rounds are feeded in from the notch between the feed ramp and might deform the bullet slightly and affect accuracy.
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Well?
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rosconow said:
I would have to say, you don't know the regs very well.
Even if you could justify it as a pistol mag somehow, pistol mags are limited to 10 rnds.
The only way you can legally get away with, in this case a 20 rnd mag, is if it can ONLY be used in a bolt action alone.
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rosconow said:
Don't want this to turn onto a pissing match.

I dare you to be the guy at a C.O. check stop who gets caught with a 20 rnd mag and a m305. (Plus the mag has no markings stating it is exclusively for rem 700). Good luck .
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Print and carry a copy of the relevant sections of the firearms act and keep a copy of them in your glove box and range/hunting bag. Game stops are very common here, been down this road many times with different co's, with over capacity magazines and antique reovlers. Use some amnners and have your paperwork in order.

http://www. rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

"4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.

Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted."
 
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Wow - so many fails in this it isn't even funny. Read the last post, which unlike some of the others doesn't contain a huge amount of absolute shyte put out as fact by people who have no clue what they're talking about. If I was in your shoes, I'd throw a factory packaged magazine in my shooting bag, and leave it sealed. Repairing a factory defect isn't altering the mag to fit another gun, so pulling the mag out of the package in front of a CO (if you ever meet one, there are I believe 2 on the entire South Island, and a similar number on the Lower Mainland) should convince them adequately, if they're reasonable, along with a copy of the relevant section of the firearms act.
 
rosconow said:
Don't want this to turn onto a pissing match.

I dare you to be the guy at a C.O. check stop who gets caught with a 20 rnd mag and a m305. (Plus the mag has no markings stating it is exclusively for rem 700). Good luck .
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The Remington 700 mag by Promag is considerably different from an M14/M305 mag. You cannot confuse the two.

Promag mag (notice the taper at the top which makes it a single feed from the middle of the mag):
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The Promag magazine for the Remington 700 Archangel chassis DOES NOT reliably feed in an M14 pattern rifle. If you have one that does, then you are lucky.
I bought 3 such mags and they jam pretty consistently, deforming the tip of the round on the middle of the feed ramps.


Compare the Promag mag to an M14 pattern mag which is double stack:
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You can insert and use a bolt action mag (which does not have capacity limitations like semi-auto mags do) into a semi-auto rifle without repercussions. It is not illegal to do so, not yet anyways.
IF you modify the mag to make it fit and function, you have now created an illegal mag

If all you're doing is adjusting the spring inside, I do not see how that would be illegally fitting the mag to the rifle. IF that is all you are doing.



EDIT: sorry, I posted the pics before realizing the OP already posted pics of the mags
 
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Arise necro-thread.

I had a thought... You can't modify a mag without making a prohibited device, but why not modify a barrel to have a central feed ramp if a person is dead set on running these magazines?

Should not violate any laws at all.
 
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