22-250 1 in 9 flyers

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I just started reloading and I worked up an load using Sierra 63 grain varminter,and 35.7 grains of h414. I am getting 1/2 MOA groups at 100 yards but I am getting a lot of flyers. I get about 1 flyer in every 5 shot group. Most times I get 4 shots touching and 1 shot about 1 inch high. Could this be caused by deformation of the soft point tip of the bullet or is it more likely neck tension or differences in the powder charge? The rifle is a savage 12LPV.
 
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I just started reloading and I worked up an load using Sierra 63 grain varminter,and 35.7 grains of h414. I am getting 1/2 MOA groups at 100 yards but I am getting a lot of flyers. I get about 1 flyer in every 5 shot group. Most times I get 4 shots touching and 1 shot about 1 inch high. Could this be caused by deformation of the soft point tip of the bullet or is it more likely neck tension or differences in the powder charge? The rifle is a savage 12LPV.
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Wouldn't be the 5th shot by chance would it?
 
I almost wish it were,usually the second or third. One thing I didn't mention is I using a Lee "hammer them together" reloader and a Lyman powder scale. The reason I mentioned neck tension is often when I neck size the brass will go into the tool further than flush. Would this change the neck size?
 
My 22-250 will not accept 63 grain Sierra bullets either. The 1 in 14 twist is to slow. But it will shoot the 60 grain Sierra hollow points using IMR 4320, 4064 or 4895.
 
My rifle is a 1 in 9 twist so I should have no trouble with the 63 grainers.
I am going to try some 55 grain soft points next week maybe they will be better. I have been trying to get ahold of a box of 69 or 70 grain HPBT but I can't seem to find any. Dose anyone know of any in anywhere?
 
all of the headstamps on your brass the same or are you mixing brands?

what shooting conditions are you testing in, changing light, changing winds?

We need more info
 
Using winchester brass, winchester primers, tempetures were about 15C and the wind was gusty from about 10:30 looking down range. I was firing 5 shot groups sloooowwwwlllly and walking to the target to change the paper between groups. I am shooting off a bench with a harris bipod and a rear sandbag. Just looking for ideas or something that i might be missing, like I said this is all new to me, and I am having a blast. I wish I had started when I was 30 instead of 50 :p
 
wind blowing at you will cause the bullet to hit high, wind blowing down range will cause you to hit low, left and right wind is obvious. try the same loads on a calm day with no mirrage or wind, also what power scope are you using and what crosshair. crosshair thickness and low power could result in a slightly different point of aim. Isn't this racket fun :D
 
Just slow it down a hair. I had the same problem with my .223. Went down .5 grain of powder and that smartened it right up.
 
Yodave you are right this is a lot of fun. Thank you to everyone for the info. I hope to get to the range next week and I will let you know how it goes.:dancingbanana:
 
Is there a flier with every group? If so, that would indicate a shooter problem. Otherwise, a problem with the load or the bullets (was the box ever dropped?), would result in some groups being tiny, and others scattered.
Not trying to be insulting, as putting one bullet after another into the same hole is a challenge for all of us.
 
Any of the posted reasons could be the issue--could also be a bedding issue--are the action screws tight? You would probably get better results with a loading press instead of the hammer dies--although you can load good ammo with them--I loaded many hundreds of .30 carbine loads when I first started reloading.

You might also want to try a front sandbag instead of the bipod--I have never been able to get totally consistent resultw with a bipod off the bench.

Good luck, 44Bore
 
thanks to everyone who replied for your help, here are some pic's of my toy and targets from my range visite today! i believe my problems where a combination of things the biggest factor was the nut behind the butt the targets will speak for them selves and thanks again.
moeben123
 
If its only happening after 5 shots or so I could be due to the barrel heating up. On one of my rifles I can have 3 shots touching each other and by the 5th one it starts opening up quite a bit. Let your gun cool down after 3 shots or so.
 
A couple of things come to mind. Nose deforming of the bullet has minimal effect on accuracy, it's the heel of the bullet that is critical. If you are shooting an unaltered factory rifle I don't see much from your target pics to complain about. Your flyer could be caused by something as small as a slight change in the cant of the rifle from shot to shot.

You can improve your performance when loading with a Lee Loader by implementing a small arbor press to neck size and seat the bullet rather than banging on them with a hammer. The Lee Loader doesn't create any more neck tension problems than any other die, but the use of an arbor press will make the sizing and the bullet seating depth more uniform as it dispenses with impact adjustments. In theory at least, the Lee Loader can seat the bullet more concentrically than a threaded die.
 
The rifle is just as it came from Savage. It is a model 12 LPV 22-250 with a 9 inch twist.
Do you know where I could by a small arbor press? I really like your sugestion of using the press instead of a hammer. The other question I have is, would a good bedding job improve the consistancy and what is the ballpark cost?
 
You might look around in a good hardware store for the arbor press, if not you can get them through Sinclair, although this will likely be a more expensive option. A good bedding job can't hurt and in my opinion is always a good investment, but whether you will see any significant improvement on the target as a result is impossible to say.
 
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