22-250, .223 or a .204

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Recently I was informed that a 22-250 barrel is done after 500-1000 rounds, can anybody confirm this or is it hogwash. Also which is the best all round, round for shooting coyotes at 3-400 yards?
 
I have no idea how many rounds a .22-250 can absorb before experiencing significant wear, but certainly 500-1000 rounds seems too low a figure. The .204 and .223 would fare better, for sure, as catnthehatt points out.

As for use at 300-400 yards, the .22-250 and .204 seem better choices than the .223. The .223 suffers beyond 300 yards. The .22-250 and .204 have similar wind bucking performance at those long ranges. The .204 has more energy than the .22-250 at 300 yards, but the .22-250 retains more at even longer ranges.
 
Although I don't shoot as much as most, I too fine 500 - 1000 rounds to be low.

Also, don't forget the newer 223 WSSM - I've heard a lot of good from some locals with their A-Bolt Stainless Stalkers

Hotter than the 22-250 and a very flat shooter. Might be something to look at.
 
Gibbo said:
Recently I was informed that a 22-250 barrel is done after 500-1000 rounds
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After informing you of this, did the same fellow offer to buy (at a very low price) your 22/250 :roll:

How does it shoot? It may need some copper removal from the bbl to get it shooting again :idea:

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For my type of varmint hunting the .223 would be the choice of the three, but if you are going steady at 300-400 and beyond the 22/250 is the logical choice.
I can and have taken animals to 300 with my .222, but it is a streatch unless you know the exact range.

The 22/250 flattens the trajectory quite a bit more at those long ranges.
However, if you are inside 200 and hunting pelts, a .223 or .222 is a better choice.
A friend just bought a .204 and is very exited about it , so time will tell!

Cat
 
CH_Tiger_14 said:
Although I don't shoot as much as most, I too fine 500 - 1000 rounds to be low.
Also, don't forget the newer 223 WSSM - I've heard a lot of good from some locals with their A-Bolt Stainless Stalkers
Hotter than the 22-250 and a very flat shooter. Might be something to look at.
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I've heard nasty things about throat erosion in the .223 WSSM. Such as bad wear after just 200 rounds ! :shock:
 
CV32 said:
CH_Tiger_14 said:
Although I don't shoot as much as most, I too fine 500 - 1000 rounds to be low.
Also, don't forget the newer 223 WSSM - I've heard a lot of good from some locals with their A-Bolt Stainless Stalkers
Hotter than the 22-250 and a very flat shooter. Might be something to look at.
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I've heard nasty things about throat erosion in the .223 WSSM. Such as bad wear after just 200 rounds ! :shock:
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Tons of bad press on www.predatormasters.com about this round and the new winchester coyote rifles that are chambered for it.

Seems like a pattern is emerging. Brass is to thick and hard to seal chamber consitently.


The 22-250 may lose some accuracy after 1500 rounds (very, very hot hot rounds) but the accuracy lost would be negligable for a huntign gun. If loaded to the max the .223 and the .204 would probably suffer the same fate.
 
Recently I was informed that a 22-250 barrel is done after 500-1000 rounds, can anybody confirm this or is it hogwash.
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sounds like hogwash!

i have freinds who use'em and swear by'em.

personally i like .223, .243, .270 for the type of shooting i think your talking about.
 
You could burn a barrel out that fast but you would have to be really hard on it, leting the barrel get real hot and keep on shooting, will prematurely kill any barrel. But normal use not that is way too fast.

If you not keeping the fur 243 is a fabulous round for long range coyotes. I have a 204 but this is my first season predator hunting with it, on paper it should be great. but really all of the above can work (though I am not sold on the short mag thing).

But if you want to have fun coyote hunting get yourself some calls a distress and a howler and shoot them at 100 or less (some times alot less) it a true hoot, and way more fun than road warrior.
 
You could burn a barrel out that fast but you would have to be really hard on it, letting the barrel get real hot and keep on shooting, will prematurely kill any barrel. But normal use not that is way too fast.
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That is about the only way I could see burning out a barrel in that few rounds, the 22-250 is slightly overbored, but not nearly as badly as the 220 swift, after a couple of thousand rounds I could see some throat erosion happening, unless you run REALLY hot loads and keep the barrel glowing red.
The 223 WSSMs are barrel burners and I think we will see the demise of many of the "new" cartridges offered of late, now that some of them have been in the public for awhile.
I am a great fan of 223AI best of all the worlds in my opinion, lower powder charge and less throat erosion than the 22-250 at VERY close to same speed, and an extremely accurate cartridge to boot, I have done up 1 that is designed to shoot the 69 gr MKs and heavier, the advantage of the heavier bullets is more reach and far less wind drift :mrgreen:
 
I would challenge the barrel burner statement ATR... how many rounds would it take to fry a Chrome lined barrel with .223WSSM :? ?
The first rifles that the factory gave out for testing were not Chrome lined barrels... and these barrels were shot out in short order by the writers that tested them. 8)
The rifles that were released for sale in .223WSSM and .243WSSM were all Chrome Lined Barrels I believe and I have not seen nor heard a verifiable report of anyone frying a chrome lined barrel yet in either of these calibers. :?
I would buy one just to see if I could burn it up. :wink:
 
BSA aosl chrome lined their barrels.
In the case of the WSSM's, I think thhat the original rifle barrels really hurt their sales, I know of a few fellas that got them and sent them back for rebarreling.

I am not too sure of just how long they will last, and have not seen any new reports of late on shortmags.org, but I would not be comfortable with a chrome line barrel .
It would mean a very large expense when I did wash out the throat!! :shock:
Cat
 
BSA aosl chrome lined their barrels.
In the case of the WSSM's, I think thhat the original rifle barrels really hurt their sales, I know of a few fellas that got them and sent them back for rebarreling.

I am not too sure of just how long they will last, and have not seen any new reports of late on shortmags.org, but I would not be comfortable with a chrome line barrel .
It would mean a very large expense when I did wash out the throat!!
Cat
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You should read this link... :idea:
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/features/detail.asp?ID=80

Here is an exerpt.... :shock:
The 223 and 243 WSSM cartridges are said to “burn up” barrels in as little as 300 rounds. Nothing could be further from the truth. Test results show that even in non-chromed barrels, the wear performance of WSSM calibers is equal to the beloved 22-250. In chromed barrels, the wear resistance is doubled (see chart). It should also be noted that Winchester has never sold a rifle in 223 or 243 WSSM without a chromed barrel. As an added benefit, the smooth surface of chromed barrels makes cleaning them significantly easier. :!:
 
BIGREDD said:
You should read this link... :idea:
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/features/detail.asp?ID=80

Here is an exerpt.... :shock:
The 223 and 243 WSSM cartridges are said to “burn up” barrels in as little as 300 rounds. Nothing could be further from the truth. Test results show that even in non-chromed barrels, the wear performance of WSSM calibers is equal to the beloved 22-250. In chromed barrels, the wear resistance is doubled (see chart). It should also be noted that Winchester has never sold a rifle in 223 or 243 WSSM without a chromed barrel. As an added benefit, the smooth surface of chromed barrels makes cleaning them significantly easier. :!:
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Of course, these are the "facts" as put forward by the manufacturer. :wink: Isn't it a little startling that even in the chart posted by Winchester, accuracy drops off so sharply after just 1500-1750 rounds ? Or is that to be expected in a "hot" round, regardless of whether it is a WSSM ?
 
BIGREDD said:
BSA aosl chrome lined their barrels.
In the case of the WSSM's, I think thhat the original rifle barrels really hurt their sales, I know of a few fellas that got them and sent them back for rebarreling.

I am not too sure of just how long they will last, and have not seen any new reports of late on shortmags.org, but I would not be comfortable with a chrome line barrel .
It would mean a very large expense when I did wash out the throat!!
Cat
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You should read this link... :idea:
http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/features/detail.asp?ID=80

Here is an exerpt.... :shock:
The 223 and 243 WSSM cartridges are said to “burn up” barrels in as little as 300 rounds. Nothing could be further from the truth. Test results show that even in non-chromed barrels, the wear performance of WSSM calibers is equal to the beloved 22-250. In chromed barrels, the wear resistance is doubled (see chart). It should also be noted that Winchester has never sold a rifle in 223 or 243 WSSM without a chromed barrel. As an added benefit, the smooth surface of chromed barrels makes cleaning them significantly easier. :!:
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The problem I was reffering to was NOT the fact that the barrels were burning out in the original rifles , but the fact that the barrels had problems with things like out of round chambers, bad rifleing , etc.

As far as burning out barrels go, all a person has to do is compare tha powder charges of two particular cartridges in the same caliber.
The differences in barrel life would be similar, maybe not exact, but similar.

I never considered buying one of the super shorts, but have a reamer now for a 6.5WSSM and one of my 6.5WSM rifles is going back to Rangesports unlimited next week to get the chamber cut back and redone into the smaller case.
This is going to be an interesting cartridge....
Cat
 
Incidently . BIGREDD, have you ever tried to rechamber a chrome lined barrel?

I found out about BSA'a barrels when a friend decided to make a 308 Norma out of his BSA /300WIN MAG!! :shock:

I myself never have tried , and will not, just from hi experience!!
Cat
 
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