22-250 and 223 for deer

Dukester said:
Heart shooter. Impressive.
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Alright, I was trying to make a point. I'll "expand" a bit. A 60 partition through the lungs is better then a 180 grain partition through the ass, no?


Better? :)


Or do all of you more experianced shooters know of a way to kill a deer by shooting him in the ass? Since of course that's what's catching the flak. Just curious.
 
well when it was legal to hunt with the ar 15 i used it to shoot more than one deer and i never had to track them they pretty much took a few steps and droped rite there on the spot,ive seen guys use 7mm mag 30 06 308 and all sorts of others that could not make them drop as well as i did with a 223 deer are light skinned unlike a moose or a bear so i would say shot placement is so much more important than calibre,if so many are gonna wine about using a 223 for deer god forbid you see a deer go down with an arrow
 
pharaoh2 said:
I missed this gem. So if a .223 or a .22-250 in a stable, accurate rifle platform is unable to cleanly harvest a deer, how exactly will a handgun allow you to do that? Again, just curious? :)
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You likely miss a lot of things.
Platform??? LOL

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pharaoh2 said:
It took you that long to come up with that? I'm so disapointed. Sadly, I'm betting you miss alot of things too and are looking for somthing to make up for it. Have a lovely day. :)
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Whatever uber super better than the rest of us hunters!!
 
pharaoh2 said:
Alright, I was trying to make a point. I'll "expand" a bit. A 60 partition through the lungs is better then a 180 grain partition through the ass, no?


Better? :)


Or do all of you more experianced shooters know of a way to kill a deer by shooting him in the ass? Since of course that's what's catching the flak. Just curious.
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Why does this "point" keep coming up, it's nonsensical,childish and moot.
A messed up shot is just that, a F++K UP, regardless of caliber. With the same shot placement, larger calibers have a definite tendency to be less erratic in performance, there's no denying that.

A 223/22-250/222/220 Swift is marginal at times for many big game species, the very reason it's illegal to use or not recommended in many provinces and states.

Those Canadians wishing to use their XCR's and Swiss Arms will have to petition the makers to build their non restricted semi auto rifles in a bigger caliber, as that's what this is really all about,no? :eek:

hillmanr2 said:
MB less than .23 not recomended does this = illegal?
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recommended

past participle, past tense of rec·om·mend (Verb)

1.Put forward (someone or something) with approval as being suitable for a particular purpose or role.
2.Advise or suggest (something) as a course of action.
 
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I believe any center-fire for big game (empty shell must be 44mm or greater:rolleyes:)with a 200gr bullet stipulation for Bison.

But about half the population does what they want up here anyways.
 
I think you all miss the point! This one person all by himself can rewrite the hunting regulations single handed.

And all you cn do is tell him he is an idiot for wanting under powered/under performing cartrages used for hunting.

I say we have him eliminate seasons and conditions for hunting, hunting 12 months a year with out limits or restriction is what I say
 
bearkilr said:
Why does this "point" keep coming up, it's nonsensical,childish and moot.
A messed up shot is just that, a F++K UP, regardless of caliber. With the same shot placement, larger calibers have a definite tendency to be less erratic in performance, there's no denying that.

A 223/22-250/222/220 Swift is marginal at times for many big game species, the very reason it's illegal to use or not recommended in many provinces and states.

Those Canadians wishing to use their XCR's and Swiss Arms will have to petition the makers to build their non restricted semi auto rifles in a bigger caliber, as that's what this is really all about,no? :eek:



recommended

past participle, past tense of rec·om·mend (Verb)

1.Put forward (someone or something) with approval as being suitable for a particular purpose or role.
2.Advise or suggest (something) as a course of action.
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It is not really all about using non restricted .223 semi autos.

Thank you for the dictionary description of recommended. It was extremely un-usefull in determining what the actual regs are for deer.
 
People are slow to change the way they think and it is no different with the topic of 223 et al for deer hunting. People used to use heavy for caliber cup and core bullets and now people use 110gr/270, 120gr/7mm and 130gr/308 barnes with outstanding results. People 20 years ago would have called you insane. Today you can get Barnes bullets for the 223 et al and they absolutely work on deer. There are tons of pictures and accounts on 24h to prove this. Again, these are high quality mono metal bullets not fragile cup and core bullets. They will reach the vitals from any reasonable angle and range.

I see nothing wrong with using a 223 with tsx for deer. The shooter is responsible for choosing an appropriate range and shot placement. Every shooter has this responsibility. Your range and margin of error are reduced with a 223. No different than using a muzzle loader. It also reduces your range and margin of error. Same with a bow. Everyone accepts these restrictions on black powder/bows. So why can people not accept them for 223s?

I am strongly opposed to restricting people's choices regarding calibers as well as handgun hunting. The next thing you know someone will tell you that calibers producing less than x ft/lbs can't be used. Let people make their own choices.
 
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