22-250 and 223 for deer

pharaoh2 said:
Military rounds, FMJ.

Hunting rounds, expanding bullets.

Imagine how well the .223 would work if expanding bullets were allowed to be used in military ammunition. ;)
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On the other side
Many yrs ago I shot a number of deer useing FMJs from a Mini.
Only one required a 2nd shot.
I remember clearly looking at the damage a tumbling bullet did every time & commenting that you would have thought a 30-06 had done that much damage.
I still would not reccomend a varmint cartridge on deer size game & wouldn't do it again myself!
 
Polar Man said:
Do you not see the irony of this statement? And are you against bow hunting deer as well?
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I LOVE bowhunting!!! With all the archery only and primitive weapons zones someday it may be the only hunting allowed!! ( Thanks to all the tresspassing, littering , poaching, careless , irresponsible trash that takes to the woods ).

But then again, because some dickwads don't have the sense God gave little green apples - there are laws saying how much bow is required to hunt deer.
 
kman300 said:
People are slow to change the way they think and it is no different with the topic of 223 et al for deer hunting. People used to use heavy for caliber cup and core bullets and now people use 110gr/270, 120gr/7mm and 130gr/308 barnes with outstanding results. People 20 years ago would have called you insane. Today you can get Barnes bullets for the 223 et al and they absolutely work on deer. There are tons of pictures and accounts on 24h to prove this. Again, these are high quality mono metal bullets not fragile cup and core bullets. They will reach the vitals from any reasonable angle and range.

I see nothing wrong with using a 223 with tsx for deer. The shooter is responsible for choosing an appropriate range and shot placement. Every shooter has this responsibility. Your range and margin of error are reduced with a 223. No different than using a muzzle loader. It also reduces your range and margin of error. Same with a bow. Everyone accepts these restrictions on black powder/bows. So why can people not accept them for 223s?

I am strongly opposed to restricting people's choices regarding calibers as well as handgun hunting. The next thing you know someone will tell you that calibers producing less than x ft/lbs can't be used. Let people make their own choices.
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BEST POST IN THIS THREAD SO FAR!

Thank you kman for attempting to infuse this thread with some logic and fact. You will still get flamed however :(
 
LordEvilPepper said:
Thats why it takes 2 to 3 rounds to drop a person with. 223 with good shot placement. . most people can only get a genral torso shot on a standing deer at 200 and rely on the sheer kenetic energy and cavitation of the larger rounds to mess up the vital orgins... Now imagine having to hit the heart dead on to drop the animal instantly. A basic lung shot won't drop a deer with 223 it will run... And god forbid you hit a rib or a gut shot shooting at 200 you will end up traking for hours
I think allowing hunting large game with a round that small is cruel
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While I respect your knowledge-base of the 5.56 round and it's capabilities as a service round, I question your logic in the above post. It makes me think you have limited experience harvesting deer.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
Thats why it takes 2 to 3 rounds to drop a person with. 223 with good shot placement. . most people can only get a genral torso shot on a standing deer at 200 and rely on the sheer kenetic energy and cavitation of the larger rounds to mess up the vital orgins... Now imagine having to hit the heart dead on to drop the animal instantly. A basic lung shot won't drop a deer with 223 it will run... And god forbid you hit a rib or a gut shot shooting at 200 you will end up traking for hours
I think allowing hunting large game with a round that small is cruel
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5.56 FMJ is not hunting ammunition. The military uses FMJ so that it causes the LEAST amount of internal damage ie through and through.

A hunting bullet, however, is designed to expand on impact, causing massive internal trauma to the lungs and/or heart of the animal. The fact that a deer will run away when shot in the lungs is not an argument for "you need something bigger"...####, I've seen a deer shot with a 300WinMag, it blew a hole the size of a cantelope out the other side...the deer still ran 100 yds through the bush before it K.O'd.
 
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Coundn't find anything on PEI. Here are the other two.


Yukon:
Firearms and Ammunition
It is unlawful to hunt big game with:
uua crossbow,
uua pistol or a revolver,
uua shotgun smaller than 20 gauge,
uua rifle calibre less than 6 mm [.24 calibre]; (a .22 calibre [5.6 mm] centrefire rifle
may be used for wolves and coyotes),
uua muzzle loaded or black powder rifle less than 11.4 mm (.45 calibre),
uushotgun ammunition other than a slug,
uufull metal-jacket bullets commonly known as “service ammunition”, or
uua silencing device.

NU:
Firearms and Ammunition
When hunting big game in Nunavut, you must use 5.56mm
(0.22 inches) or larger calibre ammunition. The empty cartridge
case of the ammunition must be 38mm (1.5 inches) or longer in
length.
For the purpose of hunting big game, rim fire ammunition is
illegal.
Ammunition containing non-expanding or steel-jacketed bullets
or tracer ammunition may not be used for hunting.
 
Our wildlife act is in the process of being revamped. I think it's because of this that info is hard to find on the net. But when I could find it, it was similar if not identical to NU.
 
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