22-250 and 223 for deer

It's nearly identical to the hole my .257 Roberts made in a whitetail 12 years ago.
That was a 100 grain Ballistic Tip at 3010.77 FPS muzzle velocity.
Temperature was -15 C and wind was Westerly at 13.6 kms/hr.

It was a Tuesday.....about 1600 hrs....and sunny.....

Thats all I can remember for now.....:popCorn:
 
Polar Man said:
How many have wounded a deer with a .22, either losing it or following a blood trail for a few hours? I know other factors like placement and distance will affect results as well, just curious.
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You have to ask that question about any caliber used in the field. My friend shot a big black bear straight on, right in the chest at less than 100 yards with a 300 wby and 180gr spire points. He looked for it and never found it. How many deer are not recovered when shot with 30-30? 303? 270? 30-06? There is no caliber that never looses an animal I don't think. It all comes back to shot placement. If you hit them in the vitals they will die. It is your job as the shooter to ensure your bullet reaches the vitals and take only shots where you can accomplish this. You must know the limitations of your rifle/ammunition and pick your shots accordingly. You can't
take butt shots with 223's and expect the deer to die.

I really don't understand why this is such a controversial topic. A 223 with a good bullet will kill deer. You have a smaller margin of error, less range, and must be more careful about picking your shots. I have the same "limitations" when I'm using my muzzle loader. I accept these limitations and hunt accordingly. Let people hunt with a 223 if they are willing to operate under those limitations. I have much more respect for a guy that uses a 223, sets himself a max range and puts the bullets where they count everytime than some guy with a 338 rum blasting away at any deer from any angle and distance because he has a super flat shooting ultra mag. That's just me though. And I am not against using big guns for deer hunting. Been there, done that.
 
joe-nwt said:
Well, this naysayer says I don't see any bullet hole in the right shoulder for starters:p maybe you need some knowledge of anatomy?:confused:
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Well I'm quite positive that I'm aware of what a shoulder looks like after the hide is pulled.... :)

Bullet recovered just under the hide and fat layer in the center of the shoulder visible in the pic....Also have a pic of the onside impact shoulder if you'd like.....Incidentally, it'd turned before coming to a stop, and was base forward. You can see a the bruise to the right of the elbow where the bullet was located at retrieval.
 
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Douglas - Yeah - my long-term memory is getting better too - I was just remembering what it was like going to school in bare feet - to a one-room school - I think it was today that I remembered that - but I forget. If that was a guess for what killed the deer - well - it might have been on a Tuesday. Try another guess - what is the bullet least likely to have made that kill?
 
Pharaoh2: I like that guess - it widens out our range of guesses quite a bit - no one has guessed that it was an SKS that was thrown with bayonet fixed - that would likely make a hole like that too. It would take a pretty good arm to lob that over 80 yards though.
 
I like to hide in a high place and just drop an anvil on their head. Bigger animals may require a piano, but I find a safe is more effective. Only problem is, it's hard to lift off them after.

Read all 17 pages.....:puke:

If there's no mushroom cloud after the bang.....You're under gunned.

Russ...
 
Dang!

Well OK if it wasnt a .257 Roberts then maybe an Imperial 150 grain pneumatic fired from a 20 barrel on a Winchester 94 30-30 ??

I'd estimate the range at about 72 yards....looks pretty close to one that I skinned out back in 1974.;)
 
Douglas: 72 yards is close enough to... well Russ from post 168 would throw the whole gun safe at it from that distance - I suspect that he forgot the combination. I wonder what a potato gun would do up close - I might still have a propane powered one that will shoot through half-inch plywood - load with carrots maybe for a better Ballistic Coefficient.
 
The deer was shot with a 22.250 - a Vmax 35 grain bullet going 4200 fps.

This little pill:
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anchor3593 said:
The deer was shot with a 22.250 - a Vmax 35 grain bullet going 4200 fps.[/IMG]
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Shooting a deer with a varmint bullet is just plain stupid regardless of the cartridge used.


Some just don't seem to understand that it is the bullet that is important when it comes to terminal ballistics NOT the cartridge that launches it.
 
I totally agree that a .22cf isn't a good cartridge for those who don't have the time to take the shot on a standing deer, if you don't have a good open shot a .22cf isn't the best choice.

But if you do have a open standing shot to even a longer range the .22 cf's do a good job, the recoil is nothing, and you can 'place' your shot in an area that isn't going to damage as much meat.

I have had good results on the deer I have taken, they dropped.

P.O Ackley said "the .220 swift is 'quite likely' a better deer killer then a .30-06"
 
I love the way the naysayers think they somehow are on the moral high ground on this. Dead is dead. I know that there are tons of deer that are shot with high powered rifles of any caliber each year that wander wounded in to the bush to never be found.

Marksmanship rules. This caliber argument is asinine. Get off your moral high horse. Someone shooting a .223 or .22-250 with a good 60+ grain bullet is better off than the yahoo who is out there with his .25-20 or .44-40 - any day.
 
bearkilr said:
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Irresponsible and lucky is all I'm gonna say.
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Lucky?? Its called being confident in your abilities, and confident in your equipment. Luck has nothing to do with it. Luck does not cause an exit wound the size of a grapefruit.

So just because YOU feel unable to make a similar shot does not make him "irresponsible and lucky", it means he knows his gun, and he knows how he shoots. Obviously he was right.
 
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