- Location
- Miramichi, NB
todbartell said:
Tod, Any thoughts on the Win M70 Coyote with the heavy barrel in the 223 WSSM? There is one here at the local shop for $875 taxes included.
22/250 on deer .... *TROLL ALERT!!*
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Tod, Any thoughts on the Win M70 Coyote with the heavy barrel in the 223 WSSM? There is one here at the local shop for $875 taxes included.
- Location
- Miramichi, NB
svt-40 said:I can't resist asking: is it a slick?
what's a slick?
joe-nwt said:
Why?
The deer must absorb the whole energy of the bullet if it doesn't pass through as opposed to only a certain percentage of the energy if it does. In my experience, I have found that the deer that I've shot with bullets/calibers that didn't pass through fell almost instantly whereas the ones that the bullet passed through ran a lot further. (All with proper bullet placement!)
Billy The Kid said:Why?
The deer must absorb the whole energy of the bullet if it doesn't pass through as opposed to only a certain percentage of the energy if it does. In my experience, I have found that the deer that I've shot with bullets/calibers that didn't pass through fell almost instantly whereas the ones that the bullet passed through ran a lot further. (All with proper bullet placement!)
I was just stirrin' the pot......
But I don't believe in the" animal absorbing the energy" thing one bit. I believe in making two holes, the second being quite a bit bigger that the first, so the animal bleeds out quickly. If the shot goes as planned, there is a substantial wound channel connecting those two holes.
I would venture a guess your "proper shot placement" had far more to do with your results than energy. Perhaps the bullets that passed through didn't expand properly? Without more info, I'm only guessing of course.
BTK,
Two identical .308 bullets (lets say from a .308 and a 300RUM for arguments sake) get shot into identical deer. Both bullets expand to 0.45". One bullet stops. The other bullet exits. Assuming similar bullet construction (and expansion/fragmentation) which bullet "deposits" the most energy into the game?
The one that passes through. There is a fixed amount of "energy" required to pass through a deer. More energy = more penetration.
In effect, the bullet that stopped will have "deposited" less energy into the game - and the game will have one less hole to bleed out of. If your theory were true, the .22LR would be the most lethal of all .224 class cartridges.
Two identical .308 bullets (lets say from a .308 and a 300RUM for arguments sake) get shot into identical deer. Both bullets expand to 0.45". One bullet stops. The other bullet exits. Assuming similar bullet construction (and expansion/fragmentation) which bullet "deposits" the most energy into the game?
The one that passes through. There is a fixed amount of "energy" required to pass through a deer. More energy = more penetration.
In effect, the bullet that stopped will have "deposited" less energy into the game - and the game will have one less hole to bleed out of. If your theory were true, the .22LR would be the most lethal of all .224 class cartridges.
cz452shooter
CGN frequent flyer
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- Sparwood, BC
joe-nwt said:I was just stirrin' the pot......
But I don't believe in the" animal absorbing the energy" thing one bit. I believe in making two holes, the second being quite a bit bigger that the first, so the animal bleeds out quickly. If the shot goes as planned, there is a substantial wound channel connecting those two holes.
I would venture a guess your "proper shot placement" had far more to do with your results than energy. Perhaps the bullets that passed through didn't expand properly? Without more info, I'm only guessing of course.
Relating back to this a bit...
Here is a question for you
Back in August, I shot a Moose, with my 7mm rem mag, using Winchester accubonds, 160 grain bullets. When I shot it, it actually made a larger entrance wound then exit wound. I don't think the whole entire bullet left the moose, only small parts of shrapnel (sp??).
Is this larger entrance wound (entrance wound was about 3 inches in diameter
) due to the v-max deisign of the accubonds, or is this normal?Thanks
- Location
- Hillbilly shack in the boonies
Would depend on range, that critter was most likely close. fast at close range will cause this.
cz452shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Sparwood, BC
About 140 yards.
Fairly close
Fairly close
cz452shooter said:Relating back to this a bit...
Here is a question for you
Back in August, I shot a Moose, with my 7mm rem mag, using Winchester accubonds, 160 grain bullets. When I shot it, it actually made a larger entrance wound then exit wound. I don't think the whole entire bullet left the moose, only small parts of shrapnel (sp??).
Is this larger entrance wound (entrance wound was about 3 inches in diameter
Thanks
I'm not sure. I haven't shot anything with an accubond yet. But I have seen a similar result on a deer with a failsafe from my 300WM. It was at about 80 yards and the entrance wound was larger than the exit. I always thought that maybe it was so close and expanded so violently some of the expanded petals broke off the tip and core made the smaller exit wound as it sailed on through.
