.22 accuracy question?

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So we were shooting yesterday and this is a normal grouping for me with my Sig 1911-22, standing at 12m, with CCI mini mags, and it got me thinking about accuracy. I always read about how accurate the Ruger and Buckmark type pistols are, and I'm just curious how they would compare? I'm pretty happy with my groups, so realistically , how much difference would a more " target" oriented pistol make? My Sig has thousands of rounds thru it, but it is pretty consistent on groups around this size. I also tried some Eley match ammo thru it yesterday and the group was about the same.
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With a Ruger Mark 2 Target, with a bull barrel, I can shoot through the same hole for a long time, the size of the hole depending on the range I'm shooting from, I mean I have to be able to see it. But it has to be on a good day and with good ammo. Mini mags are pretty good but with most of the stuff dumped on the market these days thanks to hoarding, you'll always see a few to a lot of flyers.
 
Stepping up with a target gun at that distance may not show that much but stretch it out to 15 to 20M and you should see a difference
 
Wow!! That is impressive, I don't think my Sig could shoot a group anywhere near that at 50 yards, I had no idea they were that accurate, thanks for the responses guys, interesting for sure!
 
T&G said:
A decent precision bullseye pistol should shoot under an inch at fifty (50) yards, the best will, with top grade ammo go under half an inch.
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This would be from a Ransom rest or similar. A regular shooter even off wrist bags could not manage that.

So much depends on the shooter in concert with the gun. The shooter's eyesight and even the type of target and how it "indexes" to the sights will make a difference. You may have tighter groups in you if you were given the right gun. But perhaps what you see is what you get with any gun if it's you that are the limit.

At close distances like 12M I'd say the potential from the gun differences are rather minimal. Your target looks like you managed a roughly .75 inch group if we ignore the far right and left hits. At that distance if the guns were shot from a Ransom rest or similar I'd expect your gun and a better bullseye gun would produce groups that are in the .2" to .25" range with the better gun potentially being closer to .15" or perhaps a touch less. This being the center to center distances of the holes. Not the outside edge to outside edge. But if the better gun is only going to make a .1" difference then any change is sort of lost if the shooter is a .75" at 12M class of shooter.

I gotta add that if we toss out the two right and left hand "fliers" that's a darn nice group. You've clearly got a steadier hand then most. When I started about 10 years back I could match that. But since I crested 60 I find that things are opening up a little. I'm pretty happy if I can get a 3" group at 20 yards these days at the club's indoor bullseye nights.
 
I thought the OP was asking about the intrinsic capability not the realized accuracy. Most precision shooters in bullseye would only be concerned about the outside measurements and not about c-c, since most ammo testing tends to look at outside measure. Walther GSPs -I used a pair for thirty years - in European testing ranged between .245 and 1.05 inch depending on ammo at 25 metres. Darius "Doc" Young was a fanatic about RR testing and he once showed a set of his free pistol tests at fifty metres - groups from .300 inch with Lapua match to three plus inches with Remington target. He didn't think much of the latter' quality.
 
T&G, I feel that our answers dovetailed nicely. Your intrinsic accuracy information shows why changes in the gun or ammo can be hidden by the shooter's abilities. And why if the ammo is particularly bad it'll make us feel like we might just be having a bad day instead of realizing what the real reason is.
 
BCRider said:
This would be from a Ransom rest or similar. A regular shooter even off wrist bags could not manage that.

So much depends on the shooter in concert with the gun. The shooter's eyesight and even the type of target and how it "indexes" to the sights will make a difference. You may have tighter groups in you if you were given the right gun. But perhaps what you see is what you get with any gun if it's you that are the limit.

At close distances like 12M I'd say the potential from the gun differences are rather minimal. Your target looks like you managed a roughly .75 inch group if we ignore the far right and left hits. At that distance if the guns were shot from a Ransom rest or similar I'd expect your gun and a better bullseye gun would produce groups that are in the .2" to .25" range with the better gun potentially being closer to .15" or perhaps a touch less. This being the center to center distances of the holes. Not the outside edge to outside edge. But if the better gun is only going to make a .1" difference then any change is sort of lost if the shooter is a .75" at 12M class of shooter.

I gotta add that if we toss out the two right and left hand "fliers" that's a darn nice group. You've clearly got a steadier hand then most. When I started about 10 years back I could match that. But since I crested 60 I find that things are opening up a little. I'm pretty happy if I can get a 3" group at 20 yards these days at the club's indoor bullseye nights.
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Have to agree getting any accuracy at 20M is starting to get difficult for me..
 
I can regularly hit a 4 inch round plate at 25 yards with a Buckmark or a SW22 Victory with junk ammo and I can hit the same plate at 50 yards about 20% of the time with the same setup. I can also hit a 8 inch gong at 100 yards about 30% of the time. So much of the "accuracy" has to do with the loose nut behind the gun but a proper target pistol does make a big difference. I could shoot my GSG 1911 well but not nearly as well as my Buckmark or SW22.
 
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