22 birdshot small round, big problems

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oh no not this one again..... well i have a problem, i searched the forums nd i found lots of stuff about the 22 bird shot, but nothing to help me out. well i bought this federal bird shot to test it out, cause even though i herd it wasnt good for much, i would use it any ways. what a terrible error i had shot 8 rounds of the box of 50 federal bird shot for 22lr out of my bolt action Stevens rifle purchased in august. to my dismay none of the rounds would eject, every single one i had to take my cleaning rod and gently push them out from the other side. wish is really weird because i was also shooting normal bullets afterwards with no problem. and i found something out that made me really mad, i guess this batch was hot, because the brass must have opend up to much causing it to get stuck in the chamber and also ruining the bore.. i found that it had made tiny nicks in it, oh im not happy about that one bit. i am going out again tomorrow to try and shoot a few more rounds, i might bring my camera and take pictures to send a nasty email to federal try and get a new gun or something for this outrage..

has anyone encounterd this problem before??
 
Just a question regarding what comes out of the rifle..;)....is it a rifled firearm? :yingyang:

AFAIK :) , I've seldom heard of feeding problems with .22 birdshot shells in a bolt-action....:redface:
 
yeah its rifled and its pretty funny to shoot i suppose when you get over the part of it wrecking my gun, um it penetrated my paper target at 20 yards,.. groupings dont exist though i heard it was fun to shoot balloons with.
 
The nick's in the rifling you see could be lead build up.
Savage does make a smoothbore single shot, and I think EPP's has some.
 
oh no not this one again..... well i have a problem, i searched the forums nd i found lots of stuff about the 22 bird shot, but nothing to help me out. well i bought this federal bird shot to test it out, cause even though i herd it wasnt good for much, i would use it any ways. what a terrible error i had shot 8 rounds of the box of 50 federal bird shot for 22lr out of my bolt action Stevens rifle purchased in august. to my dismay none of the rounds would eject, every single one i had to take my cleaning rod and gently push them out from the other side. wish is really weird because i was also shooting normal bullets afterwards with no problem. and i found something out that made me really mad, i guess this batch was hot, because the brass must have opend up to much causing it to get stuck in the chamber and also ruining the bore.. i found that it had made tiny nicks in it, oh im not happy about that one bit. i am going out again tomorrow to try and shoot a few more rounds, i might bring my camera and take pictures to send a nasty email to federal try and get a new gun or something for this outrage..

has anyone encounterd this problem before??
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yeah its rifled and its pretty funny to shoot i suppose when you get over the part of it wrecking my gun, um it penetrated my paper target at 20 yards,.. groupings dont exist though i heard it was fun to shoot balloons with.
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The shells did NOT damage your gun....holy cow.....

The shells are made of BRASS, and filled with LEAD. Neither of these metals are even remotely close to being capable of damaging, let alone "ruining" your bore. (hint: there is a reason that they make brass hammers and punches for working on guns...because even if you screw up and miss, you can't damage the steel of your gun)

You saying that the paper thin brass casings of these dinky little shells put nicks in your chamber is a physical impossibility.

Sheesh....
 
The case on the federal round is longer than a standard 22lr round. The end is loaded with the shot in it and then crimped shut. Upon firing the crimp is forced open and the shot presses the now open crimped edges against the sides of the barrel making it hard to extract.

The federal rounds will ALWAYS do this.

CCI makes a bird shot round that has what looks like a blue transparent bullet fillet with shot. These are ideal as they will extract properly. Downside is you MAY get a little bit of plastic fouling in the barrel. Most solvents will remove this easily.
 
I've shot probably 100 rounds of federal birdshot through my bolt action .22, and no failures to extract, no fouling, and no mis-fires! (Plus the stuff is great for deer control, make sure the deer is looking away, aim in general direction and fire, they jump and on there way, no damage whatsoever)
 
Shooter ----/ said:
The case on the federal round is longer than a standard 22lr round. The end is loaded with the shot in it and then crimped shut. Upon firing the crimp is forced open and the shot presses the now open crimped edges against the sides of the barrel making it hard to extract.

The federal rounds will ALWAYS do this.

CCI makes a bird shot round that has what looks like a blue transparent bullet fillet with shot. These are ideal as they will extract properly. Downside is you MAY get a little bit of plastic fouling in the barrel. Most solvents will remove this easily.
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Well said!
 
Cleaning out the chamber of any lube or gunk before you use the shot ammo might reduce the sticking problem.

A quick wipeout when your done wouldn't hurt either in case of a little carbonized plastic residue.
 
i used just a regular cleaning rod with a plastis tip to nock them out, you can call me crazy about the brass damaging it, but i thoroughly cleaned it last night starting off with some "crud cutter" then a few patches, some hoppes #9 few patches and then oil and another patch to follow, along with using a brush soaked in hoppes before starting everything. but the nick i see at the beginning of the riffling appears to be just far in enough to be the max length of the birdshot caseing, maybe the barrels are made ####tier on the Stevens then the savages, who knows but that nick wasnt there before yesterday
 
I don't know what caused your nicks, but I can 100000% guarentee you that it wasn't the ammo....like I said earlier, a brass casing cutting into a steel chamber is just....not....possible. It's kinda like saying "That apple dented my concrete floor"...brass: non-ferrous and soft. Chamber: High carbon ferrous, and hard.
 
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I don't know what caused your nicks, but I can 100000% guarentee you that it wasn't the ammo....like I said earlier, a brass casing cutting into a steel chamber is just....not....possible. It's kinda like saying "That apple dented my concrete floor"...brass: non-ferrous and soft. Chamber: High carbon ferrous, and hard.
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yeah that's what i was thinking especially since i took a metallurgy course , but then i thought about water cutters, you know how they cut through half inch steel with high pressure water? then i thought about the possibility's and i looked up some numbers, apparently the pressure in a 22lr camber is 25 000 cup which is comparable to psi, and i looked up water jet cutters and this is what i got "Uses a high velocity stream of abrasive particles suspended in a stream of Ultra High Pressure Water (30,000 - 90,000 psi) which is produced by a Water jet Intensifier Pump." so i would imagine that it is entirely possible.

so my conclusion would be to recommend to everyone not to use the crimped style bird shot unless with a smooth bore, and to stick with cci, plastic capped bird shot
 
ive decided not to bother even trying to contact them, id imagine it will be something like when i sent an angry letter to bill gates for my x box getting the 3 red lights for the 3rd time, and telling him i was going to shoot it because their product is garbage, later that week i bought another one:p
 
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