22 Creedmoor, the yote busting trainer

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Yeah, I know this should be posted in the hunting or general rifle areas, but in reality it's about my PRS shooting "trainer" and it's chambered in a wilcat based of a caliber that took PRS by storm a few years ago, I'll post here, there has to be a hunter or two amongst our bunch.

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Now that my beloved 6mm Creedmoor has gone maintream and been "factorized", it may be time to talk about the "little" Creedmoor, the 22.

I found out about it a couple of years back while I was looking into building my 6mm and while there wasn't much info on it, everything I read led me to believe I had found what I was looking for. A caliber I could rechamber my 220 Swift to, that would feed flawlessly from a detachable mag and that would still deliver the same performance level as the mighty Swift (50 gr. bullet at 4100+ fps.) . It worked, the rechambered barrel actually shot better than before and although an inch shorter, it had no problem matching the Swift velocity. The only problem with the setup at that point, was the barrel's 1-14 twist, it can only stabilize 50 gr. bullets or lighter, which isn't really what this caliber was designed to do. We were suffering a low in coyote population so I never shot anything with the rifle but all that shooting and getting to know the caliber just left me wanting some more and over the course of the summer I planned to rebarrel the rig with a properly twisted tube to see what this baby really is all about.

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Plans always seem to change and once the Benchmark 1-7.75 twist, 5 groove medium palma arrived from Gary, I looked at my options and decided to rebarrel my 308 instead. This rifle was a perfect match to the rifle I use in practical rifle competitions and predator hunting would allow me spend a lot of time in the field with a twin to my match rifle, or should I say a "super charged" twin. Because once you move away from traditional varmint type bullets and start feeding this caliber long heavy VLD's, you just move into a whole new level of performance, it's simply the "ultra mag" of the 22 calibers.

Presently we have two of them in the field, both are shooting 75 gr. Bergers VLD and dropping preds. My partner's has a Shilen 1-7 twist, it used to be a 223 that I rechambered for him. Out of his 22 inches barrel and using H4350 we get 3450 fps for a velocity. My Benchmark was finished at 26 inches and it allow me to use a slower powder H4831sc and gain a bit of speed, presently my speed is 3550 fps, but the barrel is still brand new with less that 100 rds through it so I wouldn't be surprised if it picked up a bit of speed as it settles down. Accuracy for both rifle is in the 0.4 MOA range.

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With a 100 m zero, my hold for 350m: 1mil, 500m: 1.9mils, 1000m:7.2 mils. , my 6mm Creedmoor requires 8.1mils for 1000m. So it's flat, very flat and forgiving in the field where ranges are often guestimated.

Our season is going very well this year, we're seeing more pred and so we got to properly test the caliber in the field and so far, it beats anything I have ever carried for predator hunting. My old standards, with which I have shot the majority of preds with, was a 243 Win. pushing a 70 gr. Ballistic tip @ 3500 fps or my Swift and while the numbers my seem really close on paper, it really isn't so in the field. It may be a close call in the first 300 meters but once you get beyond that the Creedmoor is just flatter, drifts less in the wind and just hits with so much more authority, you can hear it when the bullet hits flesh and see it in the way the critters react, lung shots drop them in their tracks just as if they'd been spined shot. I've witnessed and videoed a few coyotes shot by my partner's 30-378 pushing 200 gr Bergers at 3400fps and the 22 Creedmoor is just as impressive. My load still hits with 322 ft/lbs at 1000 meters, a typical 22-250 loads delivers the same energy about 525 meters.

Reloading for it is quite simple just as with the 6mm Creedmoor and I basically use the same dies for both calibers just by switching neck bushing.

Of course that type of performance isn't just available in a 22 Creedmoor, there are various 22-243 wildcats that could do just the same with a fast twits barrel, but for me this was the easiest solution because I shoot a 6mm Creed already. This is the next step, varmint calibers are evolving to match the capacities of the new breed of long range shooter. If you can hit a 6 inches plate at 700 yds in a match, there's no reason to pass on a coyote at that same range, at least, that's the way I see it.

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This one was shot at 350m and was exactly the reason that I built this gun for. Coyote was driven out of a wood patch by my partner and it came out running. I was kneeling with the gun in one hand and running the camera with he other hand. Once I spotted the coyote and knew it was within the frame if the camera, I dropped prone, found the coy in the lense, by that time it had stopped to look back, I guestimated the distance based on prior readings of my surrounding, centered the 1 mill mark on his chest and boom, dog down. I'm not on camera, but you can hear me move once I spot the coyote and the shot breaks less than 15 seconds later.

I doubt I would have made that shot two years ago before I started shooting PRS style match, that training has honed my skills and now that I hunt with what is essentially my PRS rig, with a Horus reticle, I'll be training for PRS style shooting from November to March in scenarios that are just as challenging as those found in matches with lotsa of small fast moving targets. Win win situation.

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It's nice, but I dunno about being THE ultra mag 22. My vote for that would go to the 22 Baboon that Douglas made. (22-284)

Cool project though for sure. Wish i had the skill to think about 500yd yote shots....
 
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Gheeez... the 6-284's have a reputation for destroying barrels in about 600 rds, what do they get out of the 22 version?

K.

Haven't seen the 22's yet, but a friend dropped by with some of the 6mm's and they do look quite nice.

The rifle's a bit heavier that I'd like for a true hunting rifle, but you get used to it after a while, just like dealing with all the info on the Horus under pressure and all the other stuff that screws up your mind in a match. If you do all those things on a daily basis rather than once a week at the range, then it doesn't matter if I even get to shoot the rifle, I'm handling it in the field which offers different situations constantly. That's bound to pay off when I play on the range in the summer.

With a slightly faster twist, you could also shoot 90 grainers VLD' out of this, run them at 3140 fps and shoot a PRS match once in a while, it would not be that far off of the performance we get out of our 6's, maybe just a bit less clang when you connect. Barrel life would probably be quite good cause that would likelly a mild load.

It really is a cool little caliber and the pills costs less than nothing if you shoot A-max's. My last order of .308 slugs had left me in a state of shock and that didn't make sense for a low performance trainer, that's why I started thinking about this option while I was at Meaford and that why the 308 barrel now sits on a shelf. 223 would be a bit more economical as a trainer but it's totally under powered for the type of predator hunting I like to do.

One thing I forgot to mention was talk about the brass, specifically Hornady's. There's been a lot of bad publicity surounding some batches of brass from this company in 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor. I have no idea if there is some thruth to it or not, all I can say is that based on my experience with both the 6mm and the 22 I have nothing to complain about. The 50 pieces of brass I am using in my 22 Creedmoor is from my original batch of 6mm Creedmoor. They were shot 3 times as 6's and they are now in their 6th loading as 22's. They have been used in all my load development for both calibers, in 3 different chambers and all loaded quite hot. I do anneal at every loading and my primer pocket are still snug and usable. So while it may not be Lapua brass performance, I really can't complain about the Hornady stuff.

Is there a reason I can't see the pictures I included with my post, I believe i used the same methode I always do to get them on?

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The hope with the 22 baboon is 1000rd barrel life, and 4000fps with a 80gr bullet in a 1-12 twist. With a 1-8 twist he was getting 3700-3800 fps with no pressure signs... but the bullets were vaporizing from centrifugal force. Hence the 1-12 twist.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1474976-A-22-284-Build-The-Baboon-Slayer-Done-Now-With-Pics

And i can see the pics in your first post just fine.
 
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Man, there`s always someone with a bigger stick, has anyone tried necking down a Cheytac?

Picture wouldn`t show last night on my Ipad but they do now on the computer, my bad.

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Coyotes are great practice! They pretty much combine all the most challenging parts of a match. Target identification, range estimation, moving targets, time pressure, improvised positions, wind calls.
 
Here's a few more added bonuses that pay big on match day.

Equipment validation. The Burris I use is less than 3 months old and yet...
It's gone from the warmt of my home to frigid conditions of my truck and the field almost every day since I got it. Because I live and work in rural country, the rifle has been in my truck constantly, with hunting gear , cameras, other rifles and all sorts of goodies thrown on top.
It's been in the rain...covered with ice and in the snow and it's still ticking...by the season's end, this scope will have endured more than most scope endure in 2 or 3 match season and I'll have a good idea of it's capability and toughness, that would be quite a good thing to know were I planning to relly on it for competition.

Once a stand is done and nothing showed up... you are there may as well take a pop at a rock at whatever distance you have available, perfect way to validate your rifle's cold bore capability, your ballistic calculator's accuraccy and if you remember to pack your magneto-speed, over a short period, come up with a very accurate record of your loads' sensivity to temperature changes. Once you've sat outdoor in -20C for 1/2 an hour, you can be certain that the barrel and ammo will be at that temperature.

Practical shooting be it IPSC or PRS is designed to test the shooter's skill in real life scenarios so it only make's sense that real life is the perfect training ground for practical shooting.

P.
 
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