That must be why the military and police forces around the world are switching from 9mm pistols to .22lr pistols. I've seen lots of people shot with .22lr and lots with 9mm. The ones shot by a .22lr usually fare a lot better.
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That must be why the military and police forces around the world are switching from 9mm pistols to .22lr pistols. I've seen lots of people shot with .22lr and lots with 9mm. The ones shot by a .22lr usually fare a lot better.
Maybe this is urban legend, but I was always told that militaries actually prefer ammo that wounds more than it kills. If you shoot a man and he just dies right away, then the enemy has lost one man off the battle field. But if you wound him, two of his buddies stop fighting and start giving him first aid, then they leave the fight to carry him back to the aid station, then the enemy has to spend a bunch of time money and resources getting that guy back to a field hospital, taking care of him, surgery, etc, so not only does ammo that merely wounds remove more fighters from the field, but it also imposes a greater economic burden on the enemy over all.
Again, i'm not in the military nor am I an authority on it, but that's what i've always heard and it does make sense to me.
So people say but never saw any documentation of that in any way.
Usually the opposite...new ammo being selected on lethality, not...woundality?
We haven't fought an army that cared about whether their fighters have an owie and get him back to a modern hospital since ze Germans
Usually the opposite...new ammo being selected on lethality, not...woundality?
We haven't fought an army that cared about whether their fighters have an owie and get him back to a modern hospital since ze Germans
Did I say that?
Its a deer, lots of em have ribcages a foot thick man lol.
"The Mighty 180 lb whitetail charged from the long grass, giving me a hard angle at 31 yards. Unfortunately all of my buckshot was stopped by the massive 200 gram ball of grass in its stomach from today's forage. DAMN! If only I had a 22! Where's my gunbearer?"
If, if, if.
What about if at 30 yards you have a respectable enough pattern that you get multiple pellets into the area the size of a deer's vitals, not really that hard to do honestly. And 1 buckshot pellet is about 30 cal or so, thus many of them landing will going to do a lot more damage than a single barely expanded 22 caliber bullet. And thats if it
So yeah.
You're making a great case that someone with a gun that shoots terrible patterns shouldn't hunt deer at 30 yards with buck. That's great.
We're just completely dropping the "how is 9mm better" part too, aren't we lol
What about if at 30 yards you have a respectable enough pattern that you get multiple pellets into the area the size of a deer's vitals, not really that hard to do honestly. And 1 buckshot pellet is about 30 cal or so, thus many of them landing will going to do a lot more damage than a single barely expanded 22 caliber bullet. And thats if it
So yeah.
You're making a great case that someone with a gun that shoots terrible patterns shouldn't hunt deer at 30 yards with buck. That's great.
We're just completely dropping the "how is 9mm better" part too, aren't we lol
https://youtu.be/G--EsibXYkA?t=933
The 30 yard spread right there looks very deer-killable to me. So does the 22 yard, since anything over 20 yards was definitely mentioned here.
https://youtu.be/ny67ZNy4zwQ?t=809
I'll take those 30 yard results over a 22, sure. And who says different buckshot wouldn't do even better out of that gun.
The 30 yard spread right there looks very deer-killable to me. So does the 22 yard, since anything over 20 yards was definitely mentioned here.
https://youtu.be/ny67ZNy4zwQ?t=809
I'll take those 30 yard results over a 22, sure. And who says different buckshot wouldn't do even better out of that gun.
So we have learned you know zero about shotguns or really any firearm. First it was the patterns with buckshot suck because tighter chokes are required, your words. Any competent shotgunner patterns their gun with whatever choke produces the best pattern. PERIOD They also know their effective range by doing so. Buckshot pellets are not lighter than the standard 40 grain rimfire round, so wrong again! The muzzle velocities are for all purposes relatively equal. So Id assume even you could do the math of 8/9 pellets is greater than 1 40 grain rimfire round. Many shotguns can easily place all the buckshot in a 10 inch plate at 30 yards or beyond. As far as advocating the use of rimfires for deer hunting in this day and age puts you into two classes and neither are complimentary. POACHER/IDIOT. Just to enlighten you the weight of 00 buck is 53.8-60.0 grains per pellet so a 9 pellet load is gonna weigh 484.2-540 grains. Would you like me to give you a physics lesson while we are at it!! PS Joel has been added to my like list and you not sooooh much
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