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i was wondering what a good group at a 100 yard is because im getting 2 in with one of my 22 and 3/4 to 1.5 in with another.
.22 groups at 100 yards
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the gun is a mossberg bolt repeater with 4 x scope
I have a couple that will shoot under an inch if the wind co-operates, if you are getting good accuracy with cheap ammo buy a truck load as those groups are usually with the more expensive ammo. Make sure you get the same lot number.
In an accurate .22, using the best ammo your gun likes, eg: Eley, Lapua, RWS, etc. and little or no wind, you should be capable of better groups then any other cal. using factory ammo. What I am saying is that the above rimfire ammo is more exacting and more accurate then any other factory ammo.IMHO
Disagree. A good varmint rifle will mop the floor with a .22 rimfire.
Not with factory ammo it won't, we're talking accurate .22s here, Steve Garbi a very accomplished shooter has on many occasions, offered this same observation in his writings. He has used the .22 for offhand 200 yd. target competition,(on calm days). Either of my old Martinis outshot my Tikka Varmint .222 both with factory ammo, one of the Martinis has a Unertl scope on it and the other has peep sights, the Tikka used a 30X scope.
I'm very humbled...
The 3/4" - 10 shot group I shot with Win Super-x at 30 yds would cone out to over 2" at 100 yards... if I could see that far.
Thats with my spankin-new Norinco 22lever gun, at the end of the 10 shot group, there were 25 rounds total thru the gun.
There was a bit of wind, but wind would hardly have any effect at 30 yards, but lots more effect at 100 yds.
My choice of 30 yds is based on that being my limit to seeing my gophers and hand-holding my gun. I don't carry a rest-bench and spotting scope while gopher hunting.
All the best, jiggs.
The 3/4" - 10 shot group I shot with Win Super-x at 30 yds would cone out to over 2" at 100 yards... if I could see that far.
Thats with my spankin-new Norinco 22lever gun, at the end of the 10 shot group, there were 25 rounds total thru the gun.
There was a bit of wind, but wind would hardly have any effect at 30 yards, but lots more effect at 100 yds.
My choice of 30 yds is based on that being my limit to seeing my gophers and hand-holding my gun. I don't carry a rest-bench and spotting scope while gopher hunting.
All the best, jiggs.
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Shooting sub 1" at 100yds is no longer a problem for a 22LR. There are several factory rimfires that will do that. Look for Anschutz, Walther, CZ/Bruno, Win 52, and the occasional Rem (don't remember the number of that bolt rifle). Then there are some exotic European and Russian rifles like SOLH (sp?), Izmash (sp?).
Even the occasional Norinco CZ clone can shoot with the right match ammo. My silhoutte rifle was a Norinco CZ clone and would hold 1" 5rds groups with Eley and calm conditions.
I have seen tuned 10/22's with match barrels that would do that too.
The real accurate rigs are those used in 50BR. They are designed to shoot 1/4" or under at 50yds so sub 1" at 100yds is simply a function of doping the conditions.
This is of course shot with top quality ammo which is very expensive. Eley, Lapua, RWS, Fed GM and some Euro stuff from Wolff and SK are the most common brands.
6mmBR.com has lots of examples in the guns of the week section. VERY high tech and far more finicky then centerfire rifles cause you have to tune the rifle to the ammo.
Jerry
Even the occasional Norinco CZ clone can shoot with the right match ammo. My silhoutte rifle was a Norinco CZ clone and would hold 1" 5rds groups with Eley and calm conditions.
I have seen tuned 10/22's with match barrels that would do that too.
The real accurate rigs are those used in 50BR. They are designed to shoot 1/4" or under at 50yds so sub 1" at 100yds is simply a function of doping the conditions.
This is of course shot with top quality ammo which is very expensive. Eley, Lapua, RWS, Fed GM and some Euro stuff from Wolff and SK are the most common brands.
6mmBR.com has lots of examples in the guns of the week section. VERY high tech and far more finicky then centerfire rifles cause you have to tune the rifle to the ammo.
Jerry
I'm pleased you spoke up here ben. Not that a good accurate 22 needs any vindication. I have rivalled the performance of many centrefires since starting back to shoot my Rem 40xes. The big challenge is the wind, but in no wind conditions they will frequently shoot .5" or less 10shot groups.
Yes, ½", 10-shot 100 yard groups are very doable with a top quality rimfire equipped with good optics and particularly when using a tuner. As has been said, the wind is your enemy, and it takes good conditions to get the best groups. My Suhl regularly shoots under ¼" at 50 yards, and ½" at 100. With my Remington 40X, I shot two consecutive groups at 200 yards [5-shot groups] that measured under 1" on one calm morning last fall. With my 541T sporter, I shot a 10 shot 100 yard group that measures just at .6". 22 rimfires are super sensitive to ammunition, and a lot number that works well usually gets a bunch laid in for use in that rifle. I am using one lot of Eley Black match in the Suhl, with certain Lapua Midas M coming very close, and a lot of RWS R50 doing some amazing things as well. The 40X has another lot of Eley as it's favorite. Takes a bit of casting around to find the right ammo, but it pays off in the end. May rimfires live forever!! Eagleye.
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As been said allready there are many variables that need to be accounted for when shooting at 100 yards. wind obviously plays a huge roll in things, and all the other variables seem to magnified more and more the further you go out. For example, with my winchester 52D custom i can shoot about .2" or so at 50 yards but that opens up to about .75" at 100 yards. So far the best I can seem to do is about 3/4" 10 shot groups at 100 yards and around .6" for 5 shot groups. Get the occasional one down .4" or less and the odd one a bit more but generally around there. This is with a highly tuned gun though with a tuner, custom stock, etc. Furthermore as others have mentioned, not only the right ammunition matters but it further narrows down to the right lot number, velocity, etc. And it has been found before that while one ammo may shoot well at 50 yards it might not shoot that great at 100 yards. But generally I have found that a good shooting ammo shoots well regardless. With my CZ and other guns around that level 1" to 1.25" seems to be around average. Lots of good info here though and some real good shooting going on with dave, andrew, etc
Brutus, I'm calling "unfair" here, your Martini is using factory loads and your .222 is using handloads, what about the Martini vs .222 with factory loads???
You're right though about the Martini being a tackdriver, if they were made today, the same as before, they would charge $2000 for them, but you can buy them used for $300!!
You're right though about the Martini being a tackdriver, if they were made today, the same as before, they would charge $2000 for them, but you can buy them used for $300!!
Brutus
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Good point, I see what you mean Ben......
It's been many many moons, since I've shot factory ammunition out of the centrefire Remington, so I cannot honestly say.
And I fully agree too, quality products are worth every single penny, regardless of cash amount paid out.
