22. Lee Enfield trainer

Thanks. Would you take a full stock 303 or a 22, trainer or Jungle Carbine if you had the choice ? Sorry for all the questions . Looking at it as more of an investment then a shooter for these


All are full stock other then the jungle obviously
 
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muddywaters said:
Thanks. Would you take a full stock 303 or a 22, trainer or Jungle Carbine if you had the choice ? Sorry for all the questions . Looking at it as more of an investment then a shooter for these


All are full stock other then the jungle obviously
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You really need to do some research such as Googling pictures of what you are looking for. From your questions which will go on and on as you learn a bit more each time you would be far better served doing a search online rather than asking a bunch of armchair experts to grace you with information that needs to be checked for validity. Especially because of what the result of "their" personal will be rather than what suits "your" needs.

Are you only interested in resale value or are you looking to start collecting or shooting this type of milsurp? Only you can answer that.

As mentioned, condition is all important including matching numbers etc.

Minty specimens of all the firearms mentioned are pricey. Of all three the rifles bringing the highest dollar value in Canada would be Long Branch manufactured right now would be the .22rf trainers I recently sold off one of mine with transit chest, issue cleaning rod and target sling for $1350. It was mechanically excellent with a perfect bore and retained about 90% of its original finish on visible surfaces. There was one large ding on the dark walnut stock. I used it in egg shoots out to 100 meters with very good results. The rifle is still fully capable, my eyes aren't.

The other two you mentioned are a bit of a conundrum as far as pricing goes. At a gun show in Kamloops yesterday I noticed some very nice No 4 rifles that went from Junk to Minty. There were also several grades of No5 rifles. The big thing was that on average and in similar conditions the No4 rifles were commanding higher prices than the No5s. I don't know if this is unusual or just coincidence as there was a plethora of each rifle to choose from at the show other than 22rf trainers.

You need to make up your own mind as to what would suit you best for your needs. The only opinions others will generate will be what suits "them" best.
 
Are these rifles collectible.?....Short answer..Yes...'most' .22 trainers seem to fetch a decent sum these days and 'should' be a good investment....The type, condition, markings, originality, numbers manufactured (+year) and accessories included (transit chest etc.) all affect the price. As mentioned above, research is the key..
Personally, I've changed course in collecting over the years and .22 trainers seem to appeal much more these days....Cheap and fun to shoot..
 
muddywaters said:
Are these rifles colectible ? Average price on one ? Are they rare or hard to find ? Any help would be appreciated :)
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Some background information for you .. ;)

We have the Canadian Long Branch .22 trainer showcased complete with a 123 pic virtual tour in the Canada - Milsurp Knowledge Library (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=117-canada.

1944 C No.7 .22 Caliber Lee-Enfield Training Rifle (click here) http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=2134

"All Matching Serial Numbers"
"c/w transit chest, cleaning rod, jags, bore brush, DND ammo & small bore targets "

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One of the best books I've ever read (and trained with) on shooting the Enfield rifle is available in electronic format, professionally scanned (thanks to Ian Robertson), in the Knowledge Library section Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/content.php...esearch-for-milsurp-collectors-and-re-loaders

"Shoot-to-Live" - 1945 (click here)

Presenting the Johnson Method of Musketry Coaching As Adopted By the Canadian Army, Ottawa, Chief of the General Staff.

This is an excellent Canadian Government issued training manual. If you are specifically a collector and shooter of Lee Enfield rifles, you'll find this to be an outstanding reference work and it contains a wealth of information on how to properly shoot the No.4 Mk1 Enfield, although much of the content is applicable to any bolt action rifle. I remember being issued this manual as part of our regimental rifle team, which used the C No.7 .22 Rifle on indoor ranges, when I was a little younger back in the early 60's. ;)

Hope this helps... :)

Regards,
Doug
 
I don't know about the others, but I thank you for your advice as I have been a LE admirer for over 45 years. Countless books later, I also concur that your own research is essential if expertise is to be gained in any topic. That being said, sometimes a person needs to feel they are at least on the right path - hence the questions.
 
the trouble with Lee enfield Trainers is you cant have just one . some are more rare than others. the ShT IV are fairly common than the Mk4 versions , although the C#7 had 20000 + of them made , only about 3-- t0 600 were released to public no exact figure avaliable . the British #7 RAF Contract 2500 made and 9 Royal Navy contract 3000 made .
sniffing around gun shows etc. St IV`s going for $800+ and the Mk4s` $1200 and up
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