.22 LR ammo re-sizing

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I know there was a thread on this subject not long ago but I can't find it :mad:.

In any event, the subject revolved around the "Waltz .22 Rimfire Re-sizing Die" and the "PACO KELLY ACU'RZR TOOL FOR 22lr RIMFIRE RIFLE BULLETS".

I had a chance to build a re-sizing die this weekend. The ammo that I practiced with measured .222 to .224 and much of it was oval. The re-sizer worked quite well making constant .2251 rounds. I hope to test fire them this week but I have my doubts that there will be any improvement in accuracy. It takes very little pressure to do the re-size but the result is lose bullets in the case. (something not mentioned by those trying to sell re-sizing tools) I'm sure that this will have a negative effect on accuracy. Photos below, I'll report back when I have some range results.




The Paco Kelly,,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LINl6TRpg84

The Waltz,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inEmsBcAwho
 
Thanks for your review Polar, I have been intrigued by these devices for a while but am still on the fence about them. I look forward to your range results.
 
The only thing I can think of is accuracy and feeding issues.
I find that dynapoint being copper plated have less issues and group well.
But thats just my five rimfires. I know so really like golden bullets but I also find alot of loose bullets and a higher % of duds.
How much did it cost you?
 
silen said:
Forgive me for being lost ....but whats this even for? I mean why resize 22lr? Just curious as to the purpose and the reason?
Thanks.
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My rudimentary understanding is that it gets 'squished' (reshaped) outwards in a pressure mold by adding a larger dimple (hollow point), making the OD a tad larger. If you mic a .22 barrel, some of them are quite large (relatively speaking) for the size of projectile, causing a wobble as it travels down the pipe; essentially, the bullet engages the rifling more fully and is supposed to improve accuracy.

Should only work on LRN projectiles, as it would have to be uncoated lead to be easily reshaped; you can make that cheap bulk box stuff more accurate via this process.

Likely unnecessary with match barrels (obviously), but can be very important on combo guns that shoot both LR and WMR like the Single Six with inherently oversized barrels to compensate for the slightly larger WMR projectile (many owners will tell you their Single Sixes have much better accuracy with the magnum round).
 
BwanaDave said:
this one??
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...32-The-search-for-the-elusive-22-bulk-bughole
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Yup that's the one. Thanks for bringing it up again. It was this thread that got me interested in giving it a try. Do up find that the bullets come loose in the case? My rigg loosened the Winchester ammo but doesn't seen to do it with the Federal. It is still pouring rain (has been for the last two weeks) so I haven't got out to try shooting the resized stuff yet.
 
Some stuff is just loose like remington golden bullets, my best results were with cci blazer and win 333/555 , if you have either I'd try them first. Some bulk ammo wont shoot worth **** no matter what you do in my experience.
 
I believe it is against the rules for bench rest competition-modifying ammo? Someone with more rule book knowledge please correct me if I am incorrect--doesn't matter for us casual shooters except for the loose casing issue..
 
i have always wanted to try the paco kelly tool. If anyone has one collecting dust pm me. I have a case of dynapoints that need to be opened up a bit for some more dramatics in the gopher patch.
 
savagelh said:
i have always wanted to try the paco kelly tool. If anyone has one collecting dust pm me. I have a case of dynapoints that need to be opened up a bit for some more dramatics in the gopher patch.
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^my sentiment exactly. :) I've had a WTB ad in the EE for a while, no movement. Might ask Santa for one though.
 
savagelh said:
i have always wanted to try the paco kelly tool. If anyone has one collecting dust pm me. I have a case of dynapoints that need to be opened up a bit for some more dramatics in the gopher patch.
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I understand the need for "more dramatics in the gopher patch" but hitting the target is first priority. I still need to make and try the hollow point forming tool for my die but, if it effects the accuracy in the same way as my "Eley point" die the thing is still useless. As I said in the video all but one of my groups were worse with the resized ammo. I would have missed the gopher.
 
Polar_Hunter said:
I understand the need for "more dramatics in the gopher patch" but hitting the target is first priority. I still need to make and try the hollow point forming tool for my die but, if it effects the accuracy in the same way as my "Eley point" die the thing is still useless. As I said in the video all but one of my groups were worse with the resized ammo. I would have missed the gopher.
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hmm i didnt watch the video. bad internet connection, but I haven't heard to many negatives on the paco kelly. Maybe it's sizing them a bit too big for your chamber. Is it .224? maybe you'de be better off with a different size.
 
savagelh said:
hmm i didnt watch the video. bad internet connection, but I haven't heard to many negatives on the paco kelly. Maybe it's sizing them a bit too big for your chamber. Is it .224? maybe you'de be better off with a different size.
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As I said in the first post my die resizes to .225". The whole "size issue" is over rated IMO. I'm convinced that consistency of the charge is the key to accuracy. The CCI Mini-Mags that I tried group very well out of the box and group size did not change if run through the re-sizer.
 
Some rimfire ammo is cheap garbarge, golden duds , federal blue box bulk etc. If you start with a consistent product and compare sized to unsized rounds you will most likely see the difference in your group sizes. There is a sweet spot to be found and some rifles will not respond either way ( my norinco jw 15 was one). I continue to use mine in my cz and two marlins to good effect, but I'm running resized cci blazers (speer bullet) in them all. No other bulk Ive tried has measured up to them for consistency either unsized or sized.
 
Ordered a Waltz resizer to improve gopher performance. Looking at the inserts to form the nose, it might be easy to make an insert to replicate a segmented style HP. Have lots of 555 and a long winter.
 
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