22 tracer ammo??????

MasterPython said:
I believe if you have form 6 and a hunting licence you can buy ammo but you need and export permit to bring it home.
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well i went to a malmart over there and the only thing they asked was to see my drivers license to show i was 18. And i was talking to a canadian customs agent and they said as long as you declare it it's ok. So i don't understand why you would need an export permit if you don't even have to stop at US customs comming home. I hope this doesn't sound rude...i'm just trying to understand

Sean
 
cpt. canuck said:
That's all fine on this side of the border but get caught with that ammo on the Yankee side and your in deep ####!
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Read the FA regs and explosives act... you're allowed to import 5000 rnds of NONPROHIBITED ammo in a quarter duty free. Tracer Rimfire does not appear on the FA regulatuion OIC prohibited items list.

When you buy from a US source pick an FLL licenced dealer ( most have export licences) and he will record the sale and everything is aboveboard and legal before he ships. I've done this too many times to be told there is any illegality. I've imported with a broker and I've carried the ammo back myself and delcared it...the key is it has to be imported for personal use only. I've done the same with rifle barrels, pistol barrels, trigger groups and other gun parts....in the US these are unrestricted gun parts that may be exported for personal use with a simple export declaration....as long as the transaction is recorded with the SD/ATF through an FLL dealer/exporter.

BTW: Jim's in Kalispell has had tracer .22s for years and I have used them sighting in everything from pistols to bench guns.
 
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sean141544 said:
well i went to a malmart over there and the only thing they asked was to see my drivers license to show i was 18. And i was talking to a canadian customs agent and they said as long as you declare it it's ok. So i don't understand why you would need an export permit if you don't even have to stop at US customs comming home. I hope this doesn't sound rude...i'm just trying to understand

Sean
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You only need an import permit if the ammo is resold and not for your personal use. The US dealer does not need to apply for an export permit until he sells over a 1000 rounds and ships it vial courier/mail to Canada...if you carry it over yourself there is no need for an export permit. Just declare it and show your PAL.

Drive over yourself and buy as much as you want for personal use...you get 5000 rnds duty free and after that you pay applicable tax and duty.

Sheesh Kanks have got to unwind and stop being so paranoid....I realize we have fools in Ottawa and Queens park but this ain't Russia yet. :rolleyes:
 
MasterPython said:
I believe if you have form 6 and a hunting licence you can buy ammo but you need and export permit to bring it home.
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Nah! I buy ammo down south all the time and no one has ever asked me for any paper. I declare it at the border and al I've ever been asked was "what's the value"?
J
 
Export from the US: Go to the Legalese Forum, and have a look at the sticky respecting Importing Firearms, Ammuntion and Parts from the US. All exports of ammunition or components of ammunition require a US export licence. Some people make purchases south of the border, and drive home. Get caught doing it on the US side, and at the very least you could lose the ammunition. Some CGN have reported being stopped on the US side before departing the US. Sometimes Cdn. licence plates get flagged in gunshow parking lots; wouldn't be surprised if this happens at border area businesses. If you have a Form 6, you can purchase ammunition in the US, but you cannot take it home with you. US export requirements have nothing to do with Cdn. import.
 
tiriaq said:
Export from the US: Go to the Legalese Forum, and have a look at the sticky respecting Importing Firearms, Ammuntion and Parts from the US. All exports of ammunition or components of ammunition require a US export licence. Some people make purchases south of the border, and drive home. Get caught doing it on the US side, and at the very least you could lose the ammunition. Some CGN have reported being stopped on the US side before departing the US. Sometimes Cdn. licence plates get flagged in gunshow parking lots; wouldn't be surprised if this happens at border area businesses. If you have a Form 6, you can purchase ammunition in the US, but you cannot take it home with you. US export requirements have nothing to do with Cdn. import.
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Never heard of this happening west of the Manitoba border....you got the same problems with gun nazies in the eastern states as you do in Onatraio and Quebec...but the bottom line is you are not "importing" unless you intend to resell it.
 
The problem is not with importing into Canada, it is with exporting from the US. It is US federal law that is being violated. Get caught, and it could be really unpleasant.
 
tiriaq said:
The problem is not with importing into Canada, it is with exporting from the US. It is US federal law that is being violated. Get caught, and it could be really unpleasant.
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Yes and the point is it is the commercial sales point that is the exporter, you are just the carrier...if you were ragged on for buying common ammo you were being shaken down by some over zealous feds.....did they "fine" you on the spot and take your cash and ammo? :D Lot of that going on..especially with people from Kanadar.

If I buy a lot of parts and ammo at one time I use a customs broker...If I buy small items under 1000 bucks I drive them over myself or use one of 3 FLL dealers I have used for years....and I've built a #### load of rifles from parts I bought from US dealers.
 
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The exporter is the person taking the ammunition out of the country. The US merchant made an over the counter sale. Good luck, and lets hope you don't get caught.
 
This is what I hate about Internet forums, People who think they know the rules/laws and spout off to those that don't and then the novice winds up in ####.

Tiriaq hit the nail on the head!
tiriaq said:
Export from the US: Go to the Legalese Forum, and have a look at the sticky respecting Importing Firearms, Ammuntion and Parts from the US. All exports of ammunition or components of ammunition require a US export licence. Some people make purchases south of the border, and drive home. Get caught doing it on the US side, and at the very least you could lose the ammunition. Some CGN have reported being stopped on the US side before departing the US. Sometimes Cdn. licence plates get flagged in gunshow parking lots; wouldn't be surprised if this happens at border area businesses. If you have a Form 6, you can purchase ammunition in the US, but you cannot take it home with you. US export requirements have nothing to do with Cdn. import.
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Take heed Jim Bell!
 
This is from the ATF.

A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
ammunition from an FFL or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States. If you violate this
prohibition, you could receive a maximum of 10
years of imprisonment.

THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS YOU ESTABLISH
THAT YOU:
1 Are an official representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the United
States Government or your Government’s mission
to an international organization having
its headquarters in the United States and will
possess the ammunition in your offi cial capacity;
OR
2 Are an official of a foreign Government or a
distinguished foreign visitor who has been so
designated by the Department of State and
will possess the ammunition in your offi cial
capacity (if you have an offi cial capacity); OR
3 Are a foreign law enforcement offi cer of
a friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement business;
OR
4 Were admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes or are in possession
of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully
issued in the United States.
If you meet these criteria, you are eligible to purchase
ammunition to possess in the United States. However,
you MAY NOT take the ammunition with you when
leave the United States unless:
1. For ammunition for sporting shotguns,
have an FFL export the ammunition. The
FFL must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to exportation.
2. For ammunition for firearms other than
sporting shotguns, you have an FFL registered
with the Department of State, Offi ce
Defense Trade Controls (ODTC), export the
ammunition. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
âť– The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the ammunition.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.
 
tiriaq said:
The exporter is the person taking the ammunition out of the country. The US merchant made an over the counter sale. Good luck, and lets hope you don't get caught.
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Caught!?!...no not in the 100 or more transactions I've made...and I am wise enough to travel on an Americam passport so alien status does not apply .BTW: My info came from a customs broker who does most of the clearing for sporting goods stores in the west.
 
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The export provisions as quoted from BATFE above do apply. A customs broker on the Cdn. side of the line is handling import into Canada, not export from the US. You are announcing on a public forum that you have violated US federal law 100 or more times. Have a look at CGN General Rules and Guidelines, item 1.
 
Sooooo....all my transactions through the broker were illegal? ALL the declarations made on this side and filed with ATF were illegal?

I think you need a few more years in law school...if I had committed any firearms crimes I'd be in jail.
 
Take your 100+ transactions. Total up the number covered by export licences. Subtract. Those are the illegal ones. How many were there? As I said before, good luck to you. Let's hope you don't get caught.
 
tracer update!

Here ya go boys! CABELA's has them!!!!!:p
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I do not know about the shipping legalities but at least I know that we can still get them! :p
 
gunny said he is travelling on an american passport though. His not a non resident alien then. What are the laws for an american citizen taking ammo to another country?
 
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