.22 Training Rifles

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Let's see some of those .22 training rifles we have in our collections guys. I used to have several different .22 training rifles, but have since sold them all off , except for this one. I never saw one of these on GunNutz before, so I thought you might like to see it and maybe post a few pics of your own training rifles. This one is a French MAS Model 45. Manufactured at the St. Etienne arsenal. Not sure of the manufacturing date. They were used while the MAS bolt rifles were serving with the French Military, likely into the 1950's or 60's. I can't seem to find much out about them but I assume they were most likely cadet rifles. This gun shoots VERY accurately. Quite a bit better than most of my commercial built .22's. My Dad has one exactly like it, as I bought 2 of them from the same guy and gave him one of them. He unfortunately Bubba'd his, removed the rear sight,drilled and tapped it and mounted a scope on it. I tried talking him out of it but he's stubborn. He said, I bought it to shoot and I need a scope. So that's what ended up happening. The good news is that it shoots spectacular groups. Another sad tale of a Milsurp being Bubba'd. GRIN
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Winchester 1903 - used as a RAF Lewis Gun trainer and low noise trench sniper rifle in WWI (by the USA).

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Vetterli 1887/16/34 - Fascist Trainer!

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Custom JC No. 5 Conversion:

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World War I Canadian Ross Cadet:

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Sht. 22 IV also Canadian with Ross Style Rear Sight

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Cooey 82

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Cooey 82 (T)

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British War Office Pattern

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An ERMA EM-1 (not a real military trainer)

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Springfield 87M - "Garand" trainer (not a real military trainer)

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Custom Springfield 1903 Conversion:

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.22 Israeli Mod. 98k and Kar 98

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Lee Metford cond.

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Modded Norinco JW25 (not a real military trainer)

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Norinco TU-33/40 (not a real military trainer)

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The much lauded Krinker Plinker (also not a real trainer)

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Ruger 10/22 Modified (not a real trainer)

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Ruger 10/22 Modified with all aftermarket parts (not a real trainer)

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A modified Toz-78 (not a real trainer)

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A Ruger 10/22 modified (not a real trainer)

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The SB M116R (not a real trainer)

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The SB M116 (also not a real trainer)

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I know there's lots more out there. The owners just don't seem to post pictures! :(

On the top of my list of wanted trainers is a Polish WZ48, a P14, a French MAS 36, and a Lebel in .22.
 
I just bought what was referred to as a training rifle too. BRNO ZKM468. Probably the slickest, nicest single shot I have seen. Fairly minty condition. It is in getting drilled and tapped too as it is the old ladys rifle and as we are a couple of old farts. Our peepers aint what they used to be. Iron sights are a no-go for us. It will be loved though. Picking it up from the smith hopefully next weekend so will take the old girl out to the range. We are now a 2 CZ family-his and hers. Had to get her something as she really likes my CZ452. Not a chance darlin. But this will keep the peace. Real slick action. 1958 and in fine shape. Small ding or 2 but those are wear badges. Will post pics when I get it back before we scope it.
 
Winchester Low Wall Winder Trainer

I recently obtained this nice old Winchester WW I trainer. It is all original and in Very Good condition. Possibly some reblue on the receiver. According to the gent writing the book on these, it is a Winchester Low Wall Winder Musket Model 87 in .22Short. An 1885 Winchester contracted by the US government and manufactured in 1918, both pior to the signing of the Armistice. (Yes, it's called a Model 87 because the 1887 denotes the Winchester shotgun.)

Following hostilities these guns were offered for sale to the public by the Department of Civilian Marksmanship (DCM) up until 1941. This one has the U.S. and Flaming Ordnance Bomb stamps on the tang. The U.S. is overstamped with a large GS which it is assumed was some group which purchased a number of these guns for use by their members. (Girl Scouts of America, maybe?)

Photo is the one furnished by the auction company as I've not had a chance to take some better pics of it.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser

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So Mauser, this 1887 shotgun-would it by any chance be a pump? I was at the range today on a work detail and there was a large amount of activity at the Cowboy range. Another fellow and I went up to have a look-see and while watching the entertaining goings on I noticed a very old pump shotgun. Pretty sure the fellow said it was a Winnie 87. Looks like the bolt slides out the back of the receiver a lot like the Marlin lever action stuff. I noticed at least 6 of these old girls there all in use. Seems to be popular with the crowd.
Same animal? Never seen one of these but they look quite old.
 
Bogie you are correct.

Yep! The 1887 Winchester was their VERY popular pump. Many Cowboy Action shooters on both sides of the 49th parallel use them. For some reason, back in those days Winchester screwed around the Model numbers with 2-digit numbers being the designated MODEL number, then the 4-digit number actually being the year of design. It was a mess.

This old girl was manufactured and shipped in 1918. Most of these found today are in really sad condition. Many had the sight changed. Luckily this one has EVERYTHING original, with exception of the possible OLD reblue on the receiver. And that's so old it's debateable...

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Thanks for the info Mauser. Pretty cool looking shotguns and they looked pretty beefy. Some of the action is exposed when the floorplate is dropped which is what originally caught my eye but I really got off on the bolt sticking out of the receiver. Thats why I picked up a Winnie 1906 pump at the Kamloops show and luckily enough ended up with the take-down version. Plan to take her out and shoot her next weekend. Pretty weird action with the top of the receiver sliding around and all. I really like the weird stuff and thankfully there is a lot of it around. The Winnie shotguns I saw today had all lost their blueing but all looked to be in very good shape. Nice to see.
 
Bogie, the only Winchester '97 scattergun I ever owned was a very short-barreled (cut of course) 12ga. when shooting trap at the Cumberland gun range up on Vancouver Island back in the '70s. I was absolutely astonished - as were some of the other shooters - that I could CONSISTENTLY bust birds out at the furtherest reaches of the range. None of us could believe this little snubby held the shot column together for such distances.

I still keep a trombone-style smoothbore around for a house gun. Ithaca 37 Featherlight in 12ga. Loaded with 00 buck!

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser
 
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I am still re-building fn purpose built .22 israeli mauser training rifles. parts are not easy to find, so it is a slow process. how do you down load pictures to this site? I know how to take the pictures.
 
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I am still re-building fn purpose built .22 israeli mauser training rifles. parts are not easy to find, so it is a slow process. how do you down load pictures to this site? I know how to take the pictures.
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You sign up for an account on Photobucket.com and upload the pictures to your account. Then you paste the URL of the image into the popup box that is accessed by clicking the button you see at the top of your reply box that looks like a mountain with the sun over it.
 
Intriguing!

It is pretty much an exact copy of an M1 carbine only in .22 caliber. It is rumored that you can buy a Milspec M1 Carbine stock and pop it right in. I owned one but kept it in the original stock.

It even has the same rod system that sits in the stock as the M1 Carbine.

There aren't many out there I'm afraid. The magazines are $100 and up a piece.
 
I picked up recently the Beretta Hakim Trainer... I really like the Erma that you have Skirson. What is the approx. value on one of those?

Here's the Beretta (the bolt and the reciever are removed top):

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