22 Valkyrie Maccabee Build advice

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Hello,

Does anyone have one of these yet? The G1 BC for the .224 90gr smk is .563. The round leaves the muzzle at approx. 2700 fps. It's about 34 moa of drop at 1,000 yards and 7.5 moa of wind from a 10mph x-wind. It almost matches my 6.5cm 140gr with 34 moa of drop and 6.6 moa of wind. But the price for the bullets is much nicer! It costs about $200 for 500 77gr smk's. I am sure that as the round's popularity grows, there should be more manufacturer's making similar rounds.

I have a Maccabee SLR on order. So for a cartridge that has to fit inside of a small-frame ar and use ar mags, this cartridge seems to be pretty awesome. I'd use it for PRS gas gun matches and probably varminting. I thought about using it for 3gun, but an 18.5 inch barrel, to keep it NR, just doesn't seem worth it.
 
I too have thought about a semi auto rifle for PRS matches.

I think the JP Rifles seem like the most accurate overall and I think they just came out with a 224 Valkyrie set up. They are not NR though and are pricey!
 
The 224 Valkyrie is very similar to what we shoot in FTR ... a hot rodded 223 pushing heavies to elevated speeds.

Lots of positives with recoil being at the top of my list. tuning can get a bit fussy with the 90's but there are now lots of "less stress" bullet options.

I think the limitation is actually the AR and how hard you can push the set up... but a 90gr around 2600/2700fps is nothing to sneeze at. Me, I would load a 80 or 82gr bullet around 2700fps and have at it. Less fuss, less cost, easier to tune... plenty of jam out to 800yds in spicy winds, easily 1400yds in lighter conditions.

And yes, some 22cal bullets will go subsonic ... and can reach 1 mile. Better hope for a dead calm day though.

Should be alot of fun for shooters interested in hot rodding 22cals. I just wonder why no one is commercialising a 22-6.5 Grendel... or the 22PPC? Just seems easier for bolts????

AR barrels in the Valkyrie are possible.

Jerry
 
I think it would be the cat's a$$. No recoil, cheap to shoot. The federal factory 90gr 22 valk loads, from youtube reviews, are looking really good. MAC has it shooting sub-moa. I was looking at getting a JP barrel and LMOS bcg. If the guts are JP, then the rifle is a JP? ;)

Jerry, can you get JP barrels and bcg's?
 
Sorry, no JP parts at this time.

I know the barrel options I can offer will shoot very very well so not much of a hurry to chase another supplier.

Just watched a youtube on the 22 Grendel.. and shooter was running stupid hot loads BUT it proved the point that this bigger case will out muscle the smaller Valkyrie... no mystery here.

It will be very interesting to see how fast and far, reloading components and dies come. It was ubber popular at SHOT so I fully expect stuff to flow by summer.

Right now, the 6.5 Grendel has a big headstart with a number of brass options that aren't very expensive. The 22PPC has been around for decades so no problem with load data and dies... but it is not offered as factory ammo and is handload only.

The Valkyrie is going to have industry support ... that is really important to a number of shooters.

And that is good for the sport...

Jerry
 
Those loads are screaming! I am not really one for fire-forming brass and etc. I prefer good brass ready to roll. Otherwise, I'd be all over the 22 grendel and/or 22 ppc. Reloading and load development is the extent of my skill set. But if 22 grendel is ever made from the factory, I'll be all over it!
 
The only thing I can see that might stop the Grendel/PPC is the AR bolt. Some of the larger bolt face options died cause the bolt thrust was tearing up the bolts.

If the Grendel sorted out any bolt issues, the 22PPC/Grendel is simply a barrel and gas block away.

but that guy is running insane load pressures. Not safe for sure... but at least he is testing whether the bolts and receiver will fail :)

Jerry
 
I haven’t checked out the numbers yet but how much ballistic advantage does 22 Grendel have over the 6.5 Grendel? Say in a 20 inch AR the 123 gr with a bc of .510 is going about 2550 FPS, what kind of speed would the .22 90 gr get to?
 
According to Berger, the 22cal 90gr VLD has a G1 BC .534.. G7 .274. Not a big difference between these two bullets.

Velocity seems to be around 2600/2700fps so again, not a huge difference. What is not shown is how easy the bullet is to tune and keep in tune.

I really like shooting 22cal heavy bullets and will spend alot of time this season dusting off old gear and reaching out.

but I have a very soft spot for the 6.5's. The bullets are typically no brainers with so few bad traits. The Grendel is now well supported ... the Valkyrie is new so supplies will need to catch up.

I don't think either is really "better" then the other. More a Chev vs Ford debate.

Build it, enjoy it. Besides, shooting a NR AR is the whole point. One chamber can easily become another chamber with a 10 min swap.

Let's just get out and have some black rifle fun....

Jerry
 
I hear ya Jerry, it all makes good sense. I did a bit of reading online just now. The heavy 22's in these new cases might have an extra 100 fps and very slight BC increase. Not enough advantage over 6.5 grendel to get me excited.

However what catches my attention is that they offer this slight increase while at the same time having about 20-30 percent less recoil.

But then the 6.5 would be a better deer round in my eyes. Ah decisions decisions.

Either way I'm with the OP, whats not to love about a sub- moa semi auto black rifle that can take 10 round pistol magazines, and reach waaay out there with hardly any recoil?

Fun , fun indeed! Exciting options we have coming up these days.
 
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