.223 effective for humans but not deer

freezer filler said:
pretty ridiculous eh... i can't shoot a 30-30 or 7.62x39 but smaller bore magnums are ok:jerkit:
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The origin of this (MNR) regulation was IIRC, to prevent the use of the myriad of very inexpensive war (WWII) surplus rifles (Enfields, etc. ) and the overly abundant (at the time) military surplus FMJ ammunition for them for small game hunting, particularly in the more built-up areas in the south. There were formerly a lot of areas in the south where I could legally use my .264 Win Mag and .270 for varmint hunting, ( like York Region & Durham ) however, over time, Municipal "No Discharge of Firearms" By- laws superceded MNR regulations.
 
freezer filler said:
i just want a rifle that i am allowed to target practice with and possibly varmint hunt with that is also a suitable rifle for deer woods if i do decide to go rifle deer... it isn't that hard to fathom someone wanting a caliber with more than one use is it?:confused:
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That's pretty much what I was looking for, so I bought a Remington SPS Varmint .243 win 26" heavy barrel. Not a Mini-14, but is still alot of fun, the .243 is available in a wide variety of bullets weights for different shooting requirements
 
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SnakeCo said:
That's pretty much what I was looking for, so I bought a Remington SPS Varmint .243 win 26" heavy barrel. Not a Mini-14, but is still alot of fun, the .243 is available in a wide variety of bullets weights for different shooting requirements
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i did have my eye on a browning bar stalker in .243, new for 850...strictly as a bush gun for under 200yds. probably won't get it though, i'm leaning towards the wincester extreme weather in .243 if and when i can find one:D
 
I'm pretty sure .243 costs roughly the same as .223 from what I've seen. I have a Tikka Varmint in .223 that is a beautiful rifle and I would hunt deer with it if I could legally without hesitation.
If I could go back in time however, I would have gotten it in .243 instead so I could hunt with it and still afford to shoot gopher, coyotes etc with it.
 
Hah! whenever I see .223 and deer in the same thread title, I immediatley seek out the "I have heard" posts for some good laughs.

This thread has NOT disappointed.......:p
 
The idea behind the 223 use by military on humans is that in many cases they do not want to kill the enemy but would rather injure them this makes it so it takes a couple other enemy combatants to get the injured fellow out.

Thus one shot takes several out of action.

I would only use a 223 on bigger deer/black bear game if the shots were perfect and I was using the best available bullet for the job.
 
Camp Cook said:
The idea behind the 223 use by military on humans is that in many cases they do not want to kill the enemy but would rather injure them this makes it so it takes a couple other enemy combatants to get the injured fellow out.

Thus one shot takes several out of action.

I would only use a 223 on bigger deer/black bear game if the shots were perfect and I was using the best available bullet for the job.
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it seems as though many feel .223 would be inadequate , the minimum at best...i defineatly haven't had anyone say it would be their first choice, i will probably opt for .243 since it is readily available
 
20 years ago I new a fellow that shot a blacktail doe @ appr 50 yards with a 22LR Stinger hit it in the forehead it dropped dead instantly.

I don't recommend using a 22LR and I am totally against it's use and it is illegal to use but it will work, going 243 is a far better choice.
 
Camp Cook said:
20 years ago I new a fellow that shot a blacktail doe @ appr 50 yards with a 22LR Stinger hit it in the forehead it dropped dead instantly.

I don't recommend using a 22LR and I am totally against it's use and it is illegal to use but it will work, going 243 is a far better choice.
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I know a guy that did so also, when he was young and foolish.:rolleyes:

And I agree with you.
 
with a 243 you can load up incredible varmint and deer rounds.. some people use the 243 exclusively even for animals up to elk (not my first choice but it will kill them). of course if your doing this you better be damn good with it (243's shoot really well) and have the right bullet selection for the job.

you can shoot bullets ranging from 50grains upwards of 110 grains so lots of different purposes.
 
leonard said:
with a 243 you can load up incredible varmint and deer rounds.. some people use the 243 exclusively even for animals up to elk (not my first choice but it will kill them). of course if your doing this you better be damn good with it (243's shoot really well) and have the right bullet selection for the job.

you can shoot bullets ranging from 50grains upwards of 110 grains so lots of different purposes.
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:agree:i also wouldn't choose it for elk, but that it would be useful for anything smaller
 
Camp Cook said:
The idea behind the 223 use by military on humans is that in many cases they do not want to kill the enemy but would rather injure them this makes it so it takes a couple other enemy combatants to get the injured fellow out.

Thus one shot takes several out of action.

I would only use a 223 on bigger deer/black bear game if the shots were perfect and I was using the best available bullet for the job.
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Thats good logic if we were fighting Americans or Canadians,but the .223 was designed for light carry jungle fighting(where the enemy had little care about fallen comrades)and even now the enemy will tape explosives to thier bodies. The wounding effect is kinda moot at this stage.

Bob:)
 
Camp Cook said:
The idea behind the 223 use by military on humans is that in many cases they do not want to kill the enemy but would rather injure them this makes it so it takes a couple other enemy combatants to get the injured fellow out.

Thus one shot takes several out of action.

I would only use a 223 on bigger deer/black bear game if the shots were perfect and I was using the best available bullet for the job.
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I'd be real careful saying that. In the military, in a firefight you always shoot to kill. A wounded enemy can often still shoot, and as long as he can shoot, he can kill. Second, shooting to wound so that his buddies have to help him out, effectively taking them out of combat as well, doesn't really go to well with the Geneva Convention. Check it out, they're pretty nit picky about the rules of war, believe it or not. Seems odd, I know.

I believe the .223 was chosen because it is a high speed cartridge, with the ability to penetrate body armour quite well. It also has less recoil than a larger cartridge, so the weapon (C7) can be made lighter, and the cartridges themselves are lighter. And when a typical loadout going into combat is often over 300 rounds, that makes quite a difference for the grunts.
 
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