.223 or 5.56 questions

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There are lots of options and I was wondering what folks recommend for a bolt action (heavy bullets ok). I know it's best to try them all out, but there must be a couple of options that have a reputation for accuracy and reliability and I'd have to order stuff so shipping would at some point become quite expensive. Also, I am not sure if it is a good idea to fire lacquer coated cases out of a bolt action.

Reloadable brass would be nice too. Some of the options I have seen out there are Tula, PMC, Federal, Remington.

What do you suggest as "good bets"?
 
I do not own a .223 bolt gun, so take my comments for what you paid for them.... :)

I wouldn't put steel case or lacquered anything into a bolt gun. I would also stick with .223 vs 5.56. PMC is a great option, from what I here, and I just split a case of AE223 55g (SFRC) with a buddy. My half for my AR and XCR, his for his bolt gun. He is very happy with his lot and plans to reload when he can.
 
Looking at .223 bolt guns myself lately (for coyotes). I've looked at the Savage 11/111, Mossberg MVP, and the Remington 700 SPS Tactical (others I considered are the Weatherby Vanguard v2, Howa, XCR-L, and the XCR).

The online reviews are generally favourable for all three. They all seem to come with 1:9 twist which is good for up to 69gr bullets, IIRC. The Mossberg is nice in that it takes AR-15 mags and is actually 5.56, so that could be a deciding factor if you have a large stock of 5.56. I went to a couple of gunstores and handled all three. Of those, I'm leaning to the Remington 700. I liked the compact size, it just "felt" right to me, and there seems to be a fair bit of aftermarket stuff for the 700. I'll admit that the pedigree of the Remington 700 does helps it's case in my eyes.

As for steel cases, I did find this article on the matter: http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/. Granted, these are AR's and not bolt guns, but it was interesting to me so figured sharing it can't hurt.
 
my .308 bolt hated lacquered cases. my semi 5.56 has no problem at all with them.

How accurate do you want to be? bulk would be okay for plinking, but if you want big accuracy so some higher end match ammo.
 
I don't own a 223 bolt but my hunting partner has one in a Howa and he is not having any issues shooting the Hornady Steel Match polymer coated cases ammo through his rifle and my mini-14 spits them out so hard I wouldn't dare use my truck hood as a rest unless the ejection port was facing away from the windshield for fear of a case cracking it. It must throw them 20 feet!!
 
Firing pin springs vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. To say bolt guns don't like hard primers is a very broad, and often incorrect, generalization. From personal experience, Savage and Browning rifles seem to have the most problems with hard primers so I would guess they use weaker firing pin springs than other makes. Some Savages work great with hard primers though so it may be a rifle-to-rifle thing to check yourself. I've not heard of a Remington bolt rifle having issues with hard military primers and mine in 308 will fire the hardest primers with ease.

Few if any off the shelf bolt rifles have a short enough throat to worry about 5.56 vs .223. Savage rifles actually have longer throats than 5.56NATO chamber specs. Only the tightest chambered, bare minimum throat length, match cut chambers will cause issues with 5.56 ammo. 5.56 and .223 actually have almost identical max chamber pressures when using the same measuring technique and equipment. 5.56 is meant to produce the assumed pressure in a NATO spec chamber and a tighter chamber or one with a much shorter throat can cause pressure to rise. Most .223 ammo is designed to produce near the max pressure in a very tight, near minimum spec chamber which is almost never the case in non-custom rifles. As a result .223 often produces less than max pressure in common civilian rifles.

Most quality or match .223 ammo will cost over $1/round and can be reloaded for less. If you're looking to shoot a lot of match ammo, I'd look into reloading. If you're looking for bulk plinking ammo, buy a couple boxes of several brands of cheap steel cased stuff and see if your rifle will set it off reliably. If it does, buy a case.
 
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