Bolivar
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Perfect shot? Whoa, we haven't even started talking about that bastard wind. The unseen hand of god that reaches out and really f**cks with your groups.
Screw it, get out and shoot.
.223 plinker... what to get?
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Perfect shot? Whoa, we haven't even started talking about that bastard wind. The unseen hand of god that reaches out and really f**cks with your groups.
Screw it, get out and shoot.
I believe that 1:9 should be good up to about 69-70 gns maybe even 75 Gn, depending on the actual barrel twist, length of bullet and velocity. Different barrel manufacturers have slightly different tolerances on the twist rate. Some might get 1:9.3 say while others at 1:8.7, just for instance. I have had decent luck stabilizing 68 GN HPBT with a 1:9 twist in an AR.
Also, the longer the bullet, the faster the twist is needed. Generally a heavy bullet in the same caliber will be longer than a lighter bullet but not always. Using 303 as an example a 174 Gn HPBT is a lot longer than a 174 Gn RN and thus requires a faster twist to stabilize. However I believe that bullets are more tolerant of being over spun than under spun, generally. If I were you, I would not worry about getting too fast a spin in a factory barrel. Most us 1:9 as a standard now. There are a few with 1:7 and even fewer with 1:12 I believe.
Also, as I understand it, the faster a bullet is driven down the barrel, the faster it will spin in a given twist. Thus if you drive it hard, it will stabilize better. I think. I am reaching a bit on that one.
Ultimately, in order to see what your rifle / barrel likes, you have to try different ammo/bullets/powders to see what works. If you are looking for premium performance in factory ammo, expect to pay more $$$. Budget packs of Winchester white box will not likely have have heavy, long range bullets. Frankly it's not something I keep up on. I always roll my own
The most important thing is to get out and shoot
Cool cool! Thanks! I think thats as much as i can understand and comprehend as a beginner, haha. Now i have the itch to go shoot!
Perfect shot? Whoa, we haven't even started talking about that bastard wind. The unseen hand of god that reaches out and really f**cks with your groups.
Screw it, get out and shoot.
Hahahahaha! I guess perfect shot is a bit of a stretch unless i press barrel up against the target!
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wind? that ones easy now add ...
breathing, heart rate, trigger controll (not pulling the gun) a flinch if u have one, mirage.. then ur on ur way to the perfect shot
now add ...breathing, heart rate, trigger controll (not pulling the gun) a flinch if u have one, mirage.. then ur on ur way to the perfect shot
Bolivar
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wind? that ones easy
breathing, heart rate, trigger controll (not pulling the gun) a flinch if u have one, mirage.. then ur on ur way to the perfect shot
Yeah, I forgot that. But breathing and trigger control can be practiced at home with dry fire too. That is even cheaper than RF ammo
You won't be happy until you get that .50 bmg canon you were eye balling at epps. Whatever you buy, buy it soon, so I can use it.
I helped break in the fabarm! However. Should be pretty damn soon. If i either win the lottery or someone supplies me with ammo, then .50 bmg it is!
OP - you asked about a 'plinker' and if indeed it is a plinker you want then a cheap rifle may be the way to go. If you want something with a bit more accuracy than that moniker would suggest then I'd go with a Savage or Remington with a heavy barrel. Don't like the factory stock ? Get a Choate Ultimate Varmint or similar and put on something like an Elite 3200 scope and you are good to go. As time progresses upgrade either barrel, stock or glass ( or all three ) and you have moved into the next level.
ultimate_monkey
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skip the 3200.... if you know you liek to shoot and its a hobby your goin to stick with for the love of gun buy the BEST scope you can afford! you will kick youself lf u spend 3-400 on a scope only to go out and spend 1000 on a decent one later, since u could have taken that 1400 and got somthing good
Bolivar
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Do you have any idea about what type of shooting you are going to be doing? Do you belong to a gun club or the or just a couple of hundred yards?
I don't know what kind of $$$$ you have to spend but don't price yourself out to the point you can't play. A good friend of mine (who works at Epps) told me I needed at least a Leup to compete in Precision Rifle. I gave him the finger and told him that if that was the price to even try....I wasn't going to play.
I ended up buying a Falcon Menace and shooting with it at Borden all last year. No one of my poor shots was because of my "budget" scope.
If $$$ is at all tight, get a decent but not top of the line scope and get out and shoot. If you decide later that you want something better, you can always sell your old scope.
Do you have any idea about what type of shooting you are going to be doing? Do you belong to a gun club or the or just a couple of hundred yards?
I don't know what kind of $$$$ you have to spend but don't price yourself out to the point you can't play. A good friend of mine (who works at Epps) told me I needed at least a Leup to compete in Precision Rifle. I gave him the finger and told him that if that was the price to even try....I wasn't going to play.
I ended up buying a Falcon Menace and shooting with it at Borden all last year. No one of my poor shots was because of my "budget" scope.
If $$$ is at all tight, get a decent but not top of the line scope and get out and shoot. If you decide later that you want something better, you can always sell your old scope.
Hello, what i am looking for -for now- is a plinker to learn to shoot with. After i am confident that i know what i am doing then i wanted to sell and move up to a remington 700 in .308 and try precision shooting. As for now its just one step at a time and learn as i go.
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As of now i just want a plinker. I would love to take a shot at precision shooting one day, but not for a while. I am not a member of any clubs yet, but i dont mind the idea of being able to go shoot with that club at the borden base. (Full retard today, cant remember name of club.) As for scopes, im going with exactly what you said; an ok scope but not some nightforce couple thousand dollar scope. I havent won the lottery yet! ..
As of now i just want a plinker. I would love to take a shot at precision shooting one day, but not for a while. I am not a member of any clubs yet, but i dont mind the idea of being able to go shoot with that club at the borden base. (Full retard today, cant remember name of club.) As for scopes, im going with exactly what you said; an ok scope but not some nightforce couple thousand dollar scope. I havent won the lottery yet!
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Bolivar
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You might want to consider coming out to an introductory day at the ORA sometime this summer. I believe they hold about 4 a year. It will give you an idea about some fun shooting sports as well as some practical experience, using club rifles and club ammo
Since you are getting a non-restricted rifle, you should even be able to bring yours to try out at range (with your ammo). Check on that though, they may have changed that.
You might want to consider coming out to an introductory day at the ORA sometime this summer. I believe they hold about 4 a year. It will give you an idea about some fun shooting sports as well as some practical experience, using club rifles and club ammo
Since you are getting a non-restricted rifle, you should even be able to bring yours to try out at range (with your ammo). Check on that though, they may have changed that.
I need you guys to help me decide between buying a Stevens 200 or a Edge/Axis in .223. What accuracy have you guys seen with these rifles as stock? I don't plan on doing too much after market right out of the box. I would just like something that will shoot fairly well for a good price? I don't plan on changing barrels or even stocks for the most part. I just want it for target shooting and small game hunting.
Will do! Thanks
If you are a lefty, you won't like a Mini-14. They only come in righty and the casings fly out almost as fast as the bullets. You don't want to get one of those in the face.
Bolivar
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Do they toss brass back to the right? I thought it was more directly to the right or forward, well clear of the face. I could be wrong.
That if the OP is posting in the Precision forum I am guessing Precision is what he is more interested in that making load noise with a firearm. A bolt action is a better way to go than a Mini. They just aren't generally know to be very accurate.
They do throw to the right & forward most of the time. They often just fly all over the place and sometimes go 10 meters. I wouldn't want to be on the right side of my mini unless I was back at least 2-3 meters.
I fully agree, he doesn't want a mini for precision targets. I would go with a bolt but I would be looking to spend about $850 plus optics. I have bought the econo packages before but by the time you do the trigger, scope & stock upgrades, you could have just bought a good one with the money.
