.223 recoil

I am grasping at straws here hoping for a "soft" shooter but may have to restrict myself to .22 rimfire.
Thanks in advance.
Tom

Like many here, I own/ & shoot the popular .223, .308, 7.62x54r calibers. Sure, they get the adrenaline going but lately I've re-discovered the joys of shooting .22lr bolt-action rifles. I could easily shoot a brick of .22lr and be very happy with the low noise/recoil. Not to mention the cheaper $$$ and not waking up sore.

The trick I've found is to have a few different .22lr rifles for different uses(Plinking vs ragged one holes) eg. a short barrel for carry/woods, a dedicated 25m single shot with diopter sights and a scoped "long-range" 100m(+). Keeps things interesting and part of the fun is trying different ammo until you find one that each rifle likes.

JMHO....
 
The .22 videos I have watched all seem to indicate the least amount of neck-to-head movement when fired. After all of the great input here at CGN, I now know that .22LR is what I will be restricting myself to for at least the next year. Surgeon will, of course, have to OK any of this.
On the plus side, I've had so many MRI's , CT's, and XRAYS this year, I'll bet I can now see in the dark.
Tom
 
On the plus side, I've had so many MRI's , CT's, and XRAYS this year, I'll bet I can now see in the dark.
Tom

It's good to see that you're able to keep a sense of humor throughout all you are going through. Good luck with a speady road to recovery. Wishing you the best
 
I think I would bite the bullet and use this as a excuse to shoot handguns for a while, but I don't see how after your fusion has fully healed that you couldn't shoot rifles again. A properly healed fusion should be plenty strong unless you have other complicating health problems that may complicate the issue of recoil forces to your neck.
 
Thanks for the responses. I do appreciate any feedback.
I fully intend to follow the doctor's orders. I have heard from a small number of .223 semi-auto shooters that say "mine has no kick", or "can't feel any recoil"; my .223 shooting many years ago was a bolt-action Ruger and, while soft, could still be felt.
I wanted to get several opinions for when the neurosurgeon tells me to take off the cervical collar and/or fuses C1-C2 and I fully recover; I would then video a friend shooting something with the lowest recoil or .22 rimfire then show the surgeon the video. He will say "Yes" or "No" based on what he sees. If he says "no", my shooting days are over.
Just looking for the softest recoil for the video. Tom

Anyone saying that their AR or other .223s have no kick are the same ones that say they can shoot sub MOA at 600 out of a 10" barrel. Unless the firearm is obnoxiously heavy, or mechanically supported, there will be recoil, and you will feel it.

I have seen many people claim zero recoil in their firearm, and at the same time refuse to put the butt stock on their face and pull the trigger. Videos or it didn't happen.

Most discussions of felt recoil are an appendage measuring contest with no invocation of actual science, mostly because few people possess the equipment to actually measure felt recoil. Your case, one where severe physical injury can result from exceeding a safe amount of recoil, should not be based on internet claims, but on science.

When your doctor says no kick, I am sure he means a quantifiable zero. How do you quantify zero? Well I would ask anyone claiming their gun has no kick to put an egg between their butt stock and their shoulder and to fire a shot. If the egg breaks, its not zero.

Next time I go to the range I will try this with my .22lr savage bolt gun and video for you.

Yes, it would appeal to me. I thought that the semi-auto action would bleed off a lot of the gas that adds to the recoil; I did not think of the heavy barreled bolt action rifles although the heavier the gun, the less recoil felt I have been told.
Thanks Scott

With bolt guns, you can also reload some very soft loads, much softer than you could get away with for a semi. Alternatively, even with a semi, if you load soft enough it becomes a bolt gun anyways. Learning how to reload while you can't shoot the bigger stuff anyways might be a worth while trade off.

The .22 videos I have watched all seem to indicate the least amount of neck-to-head movement when fired. After all of the great input here at CGN, I now know that .22LR is what I will be restricting myself to for at least the next year. Surgeon will, of course, have to OK any of this.
On the plus side, I've had so many MRI's , CT's, and XRAYS this year, I'll bet I can now see in the dark.
Tom

Sounds good. Take it easy. I have had many friends that were in a rush to recover from serious injuries, ignored good advice, aggravated their injuries and either significantly delayed their recovery, or made permanent what was supposed to be only temporary. God speed your recovery.
 
Anyone saying that their AR or other .223s have no kick are the same ones that say they can shoot sub MOA at 600 out of a 10" barrel. Unless the firearm is obnoxiously heavy, or mechanically supported, there will be recoil, and you will feel it.

I have seen many people claim zero recoil in their firearm, and at the same time refuse to put the butt stock on their face and pull the trigger. Videos or it didn't happen.

Most discussions of felt recoil are an appendage measuring contest with no invocation of actual science, mostly because few people possess the equipment to actually measure felt recoil. Your case, one where severe physical injury can result from exceeding a safe amount of recoil, should not be based on internet claims, but on science.


When your doctor says no kick, I am sure he means a quantifiable zero. How do you quantify zero? Well I would ask anyone claiming their gun has no kick to put an egg between their butt stock and their shoulder and to fire a shot. If the egg breaks, its not zero.
Next time I go to the range I will try this with my .22lr savage bolt gun and video for you.



With bolt guns, you can also reload some very soft loads, much softer than you could get away with for a semi. Alternatively, even with a semi, if you load soft enough it becomes a bolt gun anyways. Learning how to reload while you can't shoot the bigger stuff anyways might be a worth while trade off.



Sounds good. Take it easy. I have had many friends that were in a rush to recover from serious injuries, ignored good advice, aggravated their injuries and either significantly delayed their recovery, or made permanent what was supposed to be only temporary. God speed your recovery.
Well said, x2.

Check out some of the slow motion videos demonstrating the recoil between a few breaks. Heres one, not a large test but those are out there. You'll notice the recoil is still enough to move his neck a small amount. Good choice on the 22lr.

 
I have a heavy barrel #3 Weatherby in a 223. It does not kick very much. However, I agree with the comments above. Wishing you a speedy recovery.
 
Felt recoil is one thing, actual recoil is another thing though right? When I shoot my t97 I barely feel any recoil at all even shooting 556 instead of .223 rem. It doesn't have any fancy comp or brake just a standard A2 birdcage. There was no push, no thump on the shoulder, nothing even when double, triple tapping. But I do notice the muzzle rise and fall in the scope so I can tell there IS actually recoil when the shot is fired. So I would regard that the t97 gives very little felt recoil but I know there is recoil nevertheless. I never tried to do some slow motion to see how much the muzzle flips up. That would be some interesting research to do come to think of it. That, compare to shooting my 12g with 00 buck I can feel the knock on my shoulder. In fact I can see the bruise on my shoulder every time I came back from the range with my shotgun.

I definitely 'felt' and see that recoil with the 00 buck.
 
Felt recoil is one thing, actual recoil is another thing though right? When I shoot my t97 I barely feel any recoil at all even shooting 556 instead of .223 rem. It doesn't have any fancy comp or brake just a standard A2 birdcage. There was no push, no thump on the shoulder, nothing even when double, triple tapping. But I do notice the muzzle rise and fall in the scope so I can tell there IS actually recoil when the shot is fired. So I would regard that the t97 gives very little felt recoil but I know there is recoil nevertheless. I never tried to do some slow motion to see how much the muzzle flips up. That would be some interesting research to do come to think of it. That, compare to shooting my 12g with 00 buck I can feel the knock on my shoulder. In fact I can see the bruise on my shoulder every time I came back from the range with my shotgun.

I definitely 'felt' and see that recoil with the 00 buck.

WIth your T97, yes there was a push. That muzzle rise and fall is specifically because the rifle pushed against your body, which your body resisted, and then had to transition to upward movement.

Keep in mind when shooting, there is noise, there is light, there is smell, taste and feel. Most people are also excited at least a little bit by shooting, and so your mind has to prioritize inputs, with feel being about the least important. But thats the human science, on to the physics.

Lots of people use different terms. Recoil, Free Recoil, Actual Recoil, Apparent Recoil, Felt Recoil etc. all with different meanings.

Recoil Energy is the total amount of rearward push in the firearm, and is a function of the power generated by the cartridge and the weight of the firearm.

Recoil Velocity is the speed with which the rifle will move towards the rear in a presumed vacuum, although in reality this is an unhelpful number.

What seems to be largely unquantified is the shooters ability to resist or mitigate recoil through physiological structure, strength, and holding technique, but we can leave that for another day.

Recoil Energy and Velocity give you a recoil profile that could be short and hard, (donkey kick), long and soft (gentle), Long and hard (awful) or short and soft (snappy), and any combination in between.

Somethings on the firearm can absorb or slow some or all of the recoil energy before it is transferred to the shooter, like Breaks and suppressors, recoil pads, semi-auto actions, recoil systems, and even just the surface area of the butt stock can have an effect on how our body responds to the energy transfer. The bottom line being not all guns that produce 20 lbs of recoil energy are going to feel the same.

There would be a threshold below which each shooter would no longer 'perceive' any residual recoil energy, but that is not to say there is no "felt recoil" as there is still recoil being transferred to the body. Whether or not the mind notices is a separate issue.

IF you are particularly accustomed to heavy recoiling firearms, then you could quickly be impressed by the apparent lack of recoil by a lesser recoiling firearm, but thats like driving 100 kph for 10 hours and then 'feeling' like 30 kph is painfully slow. It is, but its not zero.
 
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What are you shooting now? Do you reload? A lot of bolt guns shoot surprisingly well with reduced loads. I can load 45/ 70, 30-06,303 and 30-30 that feel like a 22. Check out reduced or mouse fart loads in the reloading and bullet making sections. Lots of gents out there in the same situation as you. Good luck with it.
 
i know a benchrest shooter out of Campbell River, i wont name him cause he`s not on here, but he suffered a neck injury years ago and stopped all center fire shooting because of it, he has a heavy barrel 22wmr bolt that he shoots out to 150 metres cant remember the groupings off hand but he`s picking numbers off playing cards at that disntace with match ammo, starts with an E, cant remember the brand though , and his 22lr is not much different just a bit of a shorter distance
 
Saw my neurosurgeon yesterday and the Xrays show that my C1 & C2 have completely fused on their own. I am now free of Osteomyelitis and can drive a vehicle again as the cervical collar is off; when I asked him about target shooting, he said no shooting of any kind for one year. That settles the recoil question definitively. On the other hand, I'm glad to be alive with no paralysis.
 
Saw my neurosurgeon yesterday and the Xrays show that my C1 & C2 have completely fused on their own. I am now free of Osteomyelitis and can drive a vehicle again as the cervical collar is off; when I asked him about target shooting, he said no shooting of any kind for one year. That settles the recoil question definitively. On the other hand, I'm glad to be alive with no paralysis.
That's excellent news (well, except for the no shooting part!)--I'm glad to hear it's worked out well for you! :d
 
If your thinking about an ar then you might as well start shooting handguns as your stuck going to the range with an ar anyway and the handguns won't hurt your neck and spinal
If your dead set on a rifle then stick with a 22lr or if you can get one and you have the money for it try to find a tnw 1919 belt fed or m37 belt fed. They are completely supported on a tripod and you won't have to worry about any recoil whatsoever. The MG 34 is another option if you can get a lafette tripod for it
You could also try the tnw Suomi as it's a very heavy rifle and it shoots 9mm pistol rounds and there is hardly any recoil with it
For something with no recoil your options are pretty slim
 
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