.223 remington versus 5.56 x 45 mm NATO - is it safe to interchange???

Simple Version (afaik)

5.56 chambers CAN use .223
.223 chamberings CANNOT use 5.56
This is due to pressure differences in the cartridges, as well as minor dimension issues (but mostly the pressure)

7.62 NATO CANNOT use .308 Win
.308 Win CAN use 7.62 NATO
This is also due to pressure. The civilian 7.62 has much higher pressure than the military stuff. Again, there are minor differences in dimensions but nothing that affects operation.

Edit: Just read the SAAMI sheet someone posted. It's more complex than I'd thought but you won't go wrong following what I said
 
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You can interchange one cartridge for another. I have shot both in both of the chambers for nearly 40 years without an issue as it appears this myth was initiated by the IPhone generation.
 
You can interchange one cartridge for another. I have shot both in both of the chambers for nearly 40 years without an issue as it appears this myth was initiated by the IPhone generation.

Yep. Been 30 years here doing the same thing, and I have all my fingers and eyeballs. Must be just lucky.

Moe
 
SAAMI is the iphone generation??

as most have said, you can likely get away with it like you guys have....what happens when someone doesn't get away with it? who is going to pay for the broken gun (cuz one of the first things that will happen is the fellow will likely claim a manufacturer or ammunition fault and try and get compensated for it) or possible liability if you loaned your gun to someone and they get hurt doing it?

just saying

Boltgun
 
with all of this "should or shouldnt do" my question is, is it economically feasable to rechamber .223 rem to 5.56x45mm NATO? and if so how much would the going rate for a job like that? I just figure it would just solve the problem instead of just trying to work around it
 
with all of this "should or shouldnt do" my question is, is it economically feasable to rechamber .223 rem to 5.56x45mm NATO? and if so how much would the going rate for a job like that? I just figure it would just solve the problem instead of just trying to work around it

Check your throat, if you can chamber a 5.56 round without jamming the lands your going to be fine in a bolt gun, as for a semi I'd guess any commonly available rifle would be fine also. This whole pressure business is a bit misleading. Most 5.56 your buying packaged for commercial sale isn't any hotter than the box of 223 55 gr SP's sitting beside it on the shelf (check the velocity). I have no qualms about shooting 5.56 through a 223, the only issue I can see is if you had a freakishly short throat. If that was the case I wouldn't shoot any 62 gr Ball.
 
Check your throat, if you can chamber a 5.56 round without jamming the lands your going to be fine in a bolt gun, as for a semi I'd guess any commonly available rifle would be fine also. This whole pressure business is a bit misleading. Most 5.56 your buying packaged for commercial sale isn't any hotter than the box of 223 55 gr SP's sitting beside it on the shelf (check the velocity). I have no qualms about shooting 5.56 through a 223, the only issue I can see is if you had a freakishly short throat. If that was the case I wouldn't shoot any 62 gr Ball.

Ditto.
 
Simple Version (afaik)

5.56 chambers CAN use .223
.223 chamberings CANNOT use 5.56
This is due to pressure differences in the cartridges, as well as minor dimension issues (but mostly the pressure)

7.62 NATO CANNOT use .308 Win
.308 Win CAN use 7.62 NATO
This is also due to pressure. The civilian 7.62 has much higher pressure than the military stuff. Again, there are minor differences in dimensions but nothing that affects operation.

Edit: Just read the SAAMI sheet someone posted. It's more complex than I'd thought but you won't go wrong following what I said

The demensions are routinely different between all major manufacturers of brass and ammo. These brass dimensions will lead to higher and lower pressures from gun to gun. 223 and 5.56 should not be a cause for concern with any of today's modern firearms.
 
From what I can tell:

.223 in a rifle chambered in 5.56 = Good
5.56 in a rifle chambered for .223 = Bad

You can choose to load 5.56 in a rifle chambered in .223 and most likely never have a problem. If you do have a problem it may just be a very, very bad problem.

No one wants to come right out and say it though.
 
From what I can tell:

.223 in a rifle chambered in 5.56 = Good
5.56 in a rifle chambered for .223 = Bad

You can choose to load 5.56 in a rifle chambered in .223 and most likely never have a problem. If you do have a problem it may just be a very, very bad problem.

No one wants to come right out and say it though.

That is right.
 
Here's a recent article on the subject.

Differences Between
223 Rem. & 5.56 NATO
THE STORY ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND EVOLUTION OF THE
5.56 NATO and 223 Remington cartridges is much too
long to relate here, but the differences between them can
be described with just a few sentences. From a strictly
physical perspective, the cartridge cases are essentially
identical. And, of course, the maximum cartridge overall
length is the same: 2.260 inches. Their ballistics and
chamber specs, however, diverge somewhat.
The 223 Rem. specifications are controlled by
S.A.A.M.I., a civilian organization comprising industry
members representing the major firearms and/or munitions
manufacturers. An international government body
representing the various member countries' military agencies
controls the 5.56 NATO requirements.
The .223 is typically loaded with bullets ranging in
weight between 35 and 60 grains. The twist rate of commercial
rifles chambered in 223 Rem. will typically be
from 1:9 to 1:12. With the 5.56 NATO, ammo is usually
loaded with 62- to 80-grain bullets, and 5.56 rifles typically
have faster 1 :7 to 1 :9 twist rates to assure the heavier
(i.e., longer) bullets are adequately stabilized.
The most significant differences between the two cartridges
are the chamber throat and leade dimensions.
The 223 chamber features a very short throat forward
of the neck and relatively steep leade angle. To accommodate
the heavier/longer bullet weights, the 5.56 NATO
chamber has a longer throat and shallower leade angle.
Maximum average pressure (MAP) limits differ also.
The SAAMI spec for the 223 is 52,000 CUP or 55,000 psi.
NATO limits the 5.56 to 62,000 psi; however, I believe the
actual position of the transducer relative to the case differs
between the civilian and military specs.
The bottom line is this: If you have a commercial bolt
gun chambered in 223 Rem., it may be hazardous to fire
5.56 NATO ammo loaded with bullets weighing more than
55 grains. A longer bullet, with the ogive jammed into the
short throat/leade, will surely cause chamber pressure
to exceed S.A.A.M.I. MAP specs.
Conversely, rifles chambered for 5.56 NATO will safely
accommodate commercial 223 ammo, but accuracy
may suffer when firing lighter-weight bullets because
the shorter bullet must "jump" across the longer throat
before the ogive engages the rifling, i.e., bullet axis could
be misaligned with the bore axis.
 
After owning an SP1 1/12 '.223' since 1978, and numerous others since, I've never had any issues with M193 or M855 5.56mm ball ever. I would not use civilian .223 SP/HP due to the cost. My AR has an appetite for mil spec ball only.
 
Newb here... stumbled across this thread, and well.... I do *NOT* want my #### to fall off... so I am hoping to clarify.

I just bought this gun, it is my first. http://www.cabelas.ca/product/76999...t-action-rifle-w-vortex-viper-hs-t-riflescope

Looking at that link, I bought the one chambered in (as advertised on the link) .223 REM/5.56 NATO.... to me that implies I can use both/either. To make this simple, and allow to me continue using my ##### .... can someone just link me a good deal on appropriate ammo? I'd be forever grateful, thank you.
 
The mvp lc barrel has 1-7 twist...so for accuracy you may want to try heaver grain ammo.
I have used hornady match ammo with 75 grain with pretty good success.
Western metal sells a 77grain Fiocchi which is cheaper, but have yet to try it.
I believe all mvp barrels will accept 5.56 or 223.
I would start with cheap 55grain to get on paper, then try heavier grains of different brands to see if helps get you tighter groups.
All apart of the fun of getting to know your new toy.
Please review your mvp lc once you get to use it a few times...have been looking at that same package for a while now.
 
Newb here... stumbled across this thread, and well.... I do *NOT* want my #### to fall off... so I am hoping to clarify.

I just bought this gun, it is my first. http://www.cabelas.ca/product/76999...t-action-rifle-w-vortex-viper-hs-t-riflescope

Looking at that link, I bought the one chambered in (as advertised on the link) .223 REM/5.56 NATO.... to me that implies I can use both/either. To make this simple, and allow to me continue using my ##### .... can someone just link me a good deal on appropriate ammo? I'd be forever grateful, thank you.

To sum it up:

.223 Rem=5.56x45
.308 Win=7.62x51

If someone tells you otherwise they're an idiot. Especially so if they start talking pressures.
 
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