Maybe viewed as big game for those that don't hunt anything bigger than deer?
I consider them medium.
.223 vs deer?
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Maybe viewed as big game for those that don't hunt anything bigger than deer?
I consider them medium.
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- London, Ontario
IMO if I can carry the game out of the the bush on my back...with my rifle and a day pack pack as well its not big game!!!
...no .223 for me.
Mature does 140-180 in my area, bucks 180 - 230 average , and then there are the monsters.
But this is the internet.
So now the experts say deer are not big game. What ever it takes to win an internet argument.
Ahh, the game changing, magical Barnes TSX bullet. Turning unethical into possibly marginal in experienced hands??? Bullpucky I say!!
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Twenty-seven North American big game? As follows:
1.Polar bear
2.Grizzly bear
3.Brown bear (Kodiak, Great Alaskan Brown bear)
4.Black bear
5.American bison
6.Moose
7.Elk
8.Caribou
9.Musk ox
10.Alaskan reindeer
11.Mule deer
12.White tail deer
13.Black tail deer
14.Coues deer
15.Pronghorn antelope
16.Wild boar
17.Peccary
18.Mountain goat
19.Dall sheep
20.Desert bighorn
21.Big horn sheep
22.Jaguar
23.Mountain lion (puma or panther)
24.Lynx
25.Bobcat
26.Jaguarundi
27.Ocelot
h t t p://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070815005115AA460ZB
Google "North American Big game" to your hearts content. Call the Boone and Crockett folks and reveal your discovery that deer are not big game.
Twenty-seven North American big game? As follows:
1.Polar bear
2.Grizzly bear
3.Brown bear (Kodiak, Great Alaskan Brown bear)
4.Black bear
5.American bison
6.Moose
7.Elk
8.Caribou
9.Musk ox
10.Alaskan reindeer
11.Mule deer
12.White tail deer
13.Black tail deer
14.Coues deer
15.Pronghorn antelope
16.Wild boar
17.Peccary
18.Mountain goat
19.Dall sheep
20.Desert bighorn
21.Big horn sheep
22.Jaguar
23.Mountain lion (puma or panther)
24.Lynx
25.Bobcat
26.Jaguarundi
27.Ocelot
h t t p://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070815005115AA460ZB
Google "North American Big game" to your hearts content. Call the Boone and Crockett folks and reveal your discovery that deer are not big game.
Mature does 140-180 in my area, bucks 180 - 230 average , and then there are the monsters.
But this is the internet.
So now the experts say deer are not big game. What ever it takes to win an internet argument.
Ahh, the game changing, magical Barnes TSX bullet. Turning unethical into possibly marginal in experienced hands??? Bullpucky I say!!
Some are small to medium size others are big game too me as well...
I didn't carry this little guy out but I dragged him over 500 yards I was so glad there was some fresh snow on the ground...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om4NX1Iktt8
CC
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
Twenty-seven North American big game? As follows:
1.Polar bear
2.Grizzly bear
3.Brown bear (Kodiak, Great Alaskan Brown bear)
4.Black bear
5.American bison
6.Moose
7.Elk
8.Caribou
9.Musk ox
10.Alaskan reindeer
11.Mule deer
12.White tail deer
13.Black tail deer
14.Coues deer
15.Pronghorn antelope
16.Wild boar
17.Peccary
18.Mountain goat
19.Dall sheep
20.Desert bighorn
21.Big horn sheep
22.Jaguar
23.Mountain lion (puma or panther)
24.Lynx
25.Bobcat
26.Jaguarundi
27.Ocelot
h t t p://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070815005115AA460ZB
Google "North American Big game" to your hearts content. Call the Boone and Crockett folks and reveal your discovery that deer are not big game.
You ever seen a bobcat? You call that big?
Deer fall into big game classifications for regulations and record keeping, but most of them aren't physically large. 400 lbs is pretty much tops. Certainly not large enough to stop a .223 TSX bullet through the lungs.
Ahh, the game changing, magical Barnes TSX bullet. Turning unethical into possibly marginal in experienced hands??? Bullpucky I say!!
I agree, your statement "possibly marginal" is bullpucky....
I use 70gr TSX's in my .223 for deer it easily broke the shoulder of a large Doe and dropped her in her tracks TSX was found in the joint of the far side shoulder.
I have also shot a large buck quartering towards me with the .223 and 70gr TSX. The TSX hit just in front of the shoulder (brisket) missing the tough bones then went the entire length of his body cavity causing major internal damage then exited out the rear hip TSX never to be found.
Both shots were just under 100yds I didn't bother reading any other posts in this thread because I already know the answer and don't need any educating on the matter.
I have also shot a large buck quartering towards me with the .223 and 70gr TSX. The TSX hit just in front of the shoulder (brisket) missing the tough bones then went the entire length of his body cavity causing major internal damage then exited out the rear hip TSX never to be found.
Both shots were just under 100yds I didn't bother reading any other posts in this thread because I already know the answer and don't need any educating on the matter.
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- London, Ontario
Well I bleed/gut it out in the field, cut off the legs and head there...so its not a FULL deer lol. Its not always easy but I'd rather do it myself then have to buy an ATV.
You ever seen a bobcat? You call that big?
Deer fall into big game classifications for regulations and record keeping, but most of them aren't physically large. 400 lbs is pretty much tops. Certainly not large enough to stop a .223 TSX bullet through the lungs.
lol No I haven't seen a bobcat, but when I read this I thought that any Jaguarundi or Ocelots would be in a world of hurt coming under your thunderous .223 fire.
My first recolllection of Barnes is when they came out with 120 grains for 243 and I think 180 for 270. I never used them at the time but I thought the concept was innovative and added versatality to 2 of the calibres I was using. ( No longer have a 270
) . Gonna go visit their site, see what they been up to for 25 years. Starscream
CGN frequent flyer
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On AR15.com where theres lots of guys who shoot thier ARs in deer season, from what I have read in states where .223 is legal they only like to use it on mid to smaller size deers. Lots have complained about it being sort of marginal on the larger deers in certain regions.
Seems simple to me
First let me state that I have never hunted deer. I don't have anything but a 22LR, have only shot about 30 centerfire rounds. So please, don't put out personal attacks about my lack of experience, I have none first hand.
Seems to me that this thread has plenty of shooters who claim to have killed deer of various sizes with a 223. There is even a video of a 7 year old child quickly and humanely killing one. I have yet to read a post in this thread where a deer was wounded by a 223. If someone reading this has wounded one but he got away, man up and lets hear about it so no one else makes the same mistake. Forget all other calibers and forget the circumstances, can a 223 round kill a deer? Simple question, simple answer - yes. Many a deer has fallen to this cartridge. I read this whole post trying to make up my mind on what my first centerfire caliber should be, as I may want to try deer hunting. Some good points, but mostly BS about who's d!ck is bigger.
So can you guys all either hug and be friends or else f**k off to a different mudslinger party? This isn't a discussion of what is the perfect caliber, or your favourite load, or whats more sporting, or what might be possible if you get a massive deer with a bad lung and half blind. Let me restate the opening question - Can a 223 be used to hunt deer? In the hands of someone who has practiced and is confident in his accuracy and knows the ballistics of his cartridge, is it reasonable to expect a fatality? And is that trigger pull an ethical choice or is it a total 50/50 gamble on whether or not that animal will spend 3 days bleeding out?
First let me state that I have never hunted deer. I don't have anything but a 22LR, have only shot about 30 centerfire rounds. So please, don't put out personal attacks about my lack of experience, I have none first hand.
Seems to me that this thread has plenty of shooters who claim to have killed deer of various sizes with a 223. There is even a video of a 7 year old child quickly and humanely killing one. I have yet to read a post in this thread where a deer was wounded by a 223. If someone reading this has wounded one but he got away, man up and lets hear about it so no one else makes the same mistake. Forget all other calibers and forget the circumstances, can a 223 round kill a deer? Simple question, simple answer - yes. Many a deer has fallen to this cartridge. I read this whole post trying to make up my mind on what my first centerfire caliber should be, as I may want to try deer hunting. Some good points, but mostly BS about who's d!ck is bigger.
So can you guys all either hug and be friends or else f**k off to a different mudslinger party? This isn't a discussion of what is the perfect caliber, or your favourite load, or whats more sporting, or what might be possible if you get a massive deer with a bad lung and half blind. Let me restate the opening question - Can a 223 be used to hunt deer? In the hands of someone who has practiced and is confident in his accuracy and knows the ballistics of his cartridge, is it reasonable to expect a fatality? And is that trigger pull an ethical choice or is it a total 50/50 gamble on whether or not that animal will spend 3 days bleeding out?
The only deer I wounded and lost was with a .30-06 and that was my own fault. I messed up what should have been a fairly easy shot on a walking deer.
I geuss I should take that as a sign the the .30-06 isn't enough for deer.
I geuss I should take that as a sign the the .30-06 isn't enough for deer.
Starscream
CGN frequent flyer
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- Southern Alberta
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