.223?

HkMark, I geuss you're probably right we should all go out there and take shots at game that we don't feel will kill it quickly.

To Gamer ###, as long as its legal and you're confident in your abilities and those of your rifle/cartridge selection; stay safe and have fun.
 
As a hunter i believe in practicing ethical hunting. i think that harvesting deer is much more humane than buying a slab meat the supermarket. i believe that hunting is not just a sport, but our way of life. And i also believe that the animal deserves the right to the least pain, and most humane death possible. If that means using a bigger caliber such as a 30-06 to harvest game instead, so be it. Think about whats at the end of the barrel, and not in your wallet. Yes a .223 will kill a deer, but its not a perfect world. even a not so perfect shot with a larger calibre rifle will drop large game like a deer, where the .223 would not. i wouldn''t risk wounding a deer because i want to feel like rambo, paint my face and hunt with an ar-15. that said everyone is entitled to their opinion..... just thought i'd throw in my 2 cents.
 
Ok im Really not getting that the .223 cartridge=AR15 in any way/shape/or form.

I do see it as a biased opinion. If you don't like the cartridge say so. If you don't like the Rifle... too bad. It's out there and it's doing small game hunting quite fine.

It's funny because I just finished reading an article in "AR15" magazine "Hunting with the 'black gun'"... and it seems pretty much the 'biased' opinions I seem to read here. Kinda funny if you ask me really lol.

But I digress.

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So what's the point of "hunting" small game? I mean deer seems to be somewhat of a far reach for the cartridge so what about like Boars? Im mostly looking to hunt something I can harvest for meat that is somewhat good. I dont believe in just shooting an animal just for the "fun" of it. Seems rather wasteful (and lets not get into the "predatory" animal extermination/control discussion)

So Boar... doable? I have read some do it on a regular basis with a .223, and Im sure I can't hit a duck/goose unless its on the ground somehow.

Luke
 
Using a 223 you are hopefully willing to accept giving up opportunities that would be easy with the proper equipment. Letting deer sized game walk because the shot set-up isn't ideal for the little bullets limitations. Making a brain shot (not just a head shot) under field conditions may be more challenging than one thinks. You may never know, or admit that a fleeing deer is destined to die a lingering death, because you F.U. and shattered it's jaw.

Do it right, respect the game and leave the shooting stunts for the range.
 
cmoney said:
Has anyone used those new Remington .30 AR rounds yet? Advertised as carrying like a .223 but delivering the performance of a .308.....
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http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/remington-introduces-new-30-remington-ar-cartridge/

Our first reaction to the news of Remington’s new cartridge was: “Why?” The obvious (and cynical) answer is that Remington wanted to sell AR-style rifles to deer hunters who need an excuse to purchase a military-style semi-automatic. There may be a market for that… who knows. But there is already a proven, compact 30-caliber cartridge that fits a standard-sized AR15 lower — the 7.62×39. The 7.62×39 won’t push a 125-grainer as fast as the bigger 30 RAR, but the 7.62×39 will still kill a whitetail plenty dead. Perhaps Remington’s engineers should simply have applied themselves to producing a proper (i.e. 100% functional) 7.62×39 magazine. This Editor has tried most of the AR15 7.62×39 magazines on the market (from 3-rd to 30-rd capacity). None of those I tested worked particularly well. Some simple redesign work (call the MagPul folks) would solve that.
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'Can', 'Skilled', 'Head Shots'...etc etc lots of itf, buts, shoulds and maybes!!!

Of course a .223 can kill deer but can you do so consistently? Raise your hand if you have ever made a less than stellar, marginal shot on a deer....

I find these statements about only taking head shots and being an amazing marksman with a grain of salt.

Yes a marginal lung hit with .223 will kill you deer but the same hit with bigger bullets will do it more quickly.

Blood trail...I have shot African Impala with a .223 and 55gr rem factory loads. Impala are smaller than most deer, have hardly any sun-cutaneous fat and thin hair, deer dont! Those impala didn't bleed much at all, making a potential 100yrd follow up in bush difficult! Yes the .223 killed them well but one ram I pulled the shot high and hit the spine which put him down but he was not dead as the little bullet did not break it....even a .243 would have been much more effective.
 
woolly said:
If you an ethical hunter you will only use a .223 on varmint class game. While legal in most provinces to hunt big game the .223 lacks enough power to ethically harvest large game. Please note I am not saying it won't kill big game, a .22LR will kill big game, just that there are many many more cartridges that will do the job MUCH better. Show respect for your game and use an appropriate cartridge!
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Bang-on! You said it Woolly! My thoughts, exactly! Have a heart, use the proper tool for the job.
 
@AB.Boy

yeah no worries dude I didn't mean I'd hunt them with the .223 I meant it more of a "small moving target" hence the question about boars.

I see a lot of mention of "ethical" killing but you'd be suprised what I've seen sone "hunters" shoot just for ####s and giggles. I wasn't impressed.

Luke
 
Charlie38 said:
60 gr Nosler Partition or a Barnes TSX if you are going to use it on big game. Keep your shots to 150 yds or less and take out their lungs.
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Substitute deer for big game...........your BC black-tails (sitka and columbian)are hardly big game;)

Big game includes moose and elk. .223 is not a elk/moose gun.
 
TheGamer### said:
@AB.Boy

yeah no worries dude I didn't mean I'd hunt them with the .223 I meant it more of a "small moving target" hence the question about boars.

I see a lot of mention of "ethical" killing but you'd be suprised what I've seen sone "hunters" shoot just for s**ts and giggles. I wasn't impressed.

Luke
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I wouldn't shoot a wild boar with a .223, they's one tough sum-bit and die hard! I've been told that if you wound one and make it squeel, you'll have a whole bunch on your hands in a matter of mins to deal with! Ya best be in a tree stand, not on foot or at that point, you'd wish like hell that you had a big cal belt feed! :p Been looken for some wild bacon in the Mars Hills for sometime now, the tracks and signs are there, they are there, but never any sightings. In the winter you can see the many many hoof prints and the belly drag in the 12 inches of snow. Ain't no deer that drags a gut in a foot of snow! A co-worker lives along 317 and has them come in his backyard, but only at night in the pitch black, he never see's them either. Just the mess and destuction that they leave behind.
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The .223/5.56 is an outstanding gopher cartridge. It is accurate,cheap to run,and easy to handload for. I recommend it as a great warm up for hunting season when you can hunt deer and other big game with a more suitable cartridge.

Some of these theoretical discussions can get pretty amusing and remind me of a "gun counter commando" who was thinking about bear hunting with a .17 Remington. He thought it would work just fine "when he slipped it between a bear's ribs".
 
TheGamer### said:
@AB.Boy
I see a lot of mention of "ethical" killing but you'd be suprised what I've seen sone "hunters" shoot just for s**ts and giggles. I wasn't impressed.

Luke
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Those aren't ethical hunters, then. There are lots of meatheads who will shoot at movement or sounds, shoot things and not check to see if they hit or not, etc. They are not the hunters you want to learn from or emulate.

Mark
 
Doable but not as forgiving as the bigger cartridges.

Don't think for a second though that a big cartridge is any excuse not to bring one's marksmanship the highest standard one can reach. A poorly placed 338 Winchester magnum will do the exact same thing as a poorly placed .223, just with more agony for all involved.
 
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