22lr 1/8" at 50 yards all day
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Damn nice shooting...
Its possible but I think it will be a VERY short list...
I may try to aim for the 1/4 challenged now... the 1/2 was easy once i ponied up the cash for a good rifle...
Wonder if I tried some tennex or x act how good it would shoot.
Its possible but I think it will be a VERY short list...
I may try to aim for the 1/4 challenged now... the 1/2 was easy once i ponied up the cash for a good rifle...
Wonder if I tried some tennex or x act how good it would shoot.
Just back from the range and using LAPUA CENTER-X got a .950" 5 shot 100 yard group BUT 4 shots went into 1/2". Not bad for a Walther KK that's over 1/2 a century old. Oh, and that was with PEEP sights, NOT a scope. Have to admit I was VERY lucky. One of those days when everything went right.
The pursuit of 1/8th "all day" is not realistic with rimfire. While it can be achieved "here and there", there will be much time spent between successes testing ammo and tuning the rifle.
You'll need:
A "hummer" of a custom barrel. Many customs will shoot well, but from time to time one particular barrel will stand out from the rest in it's performance. There's no rhyme or reason for it, just play the lottery.
A high end match action to fit the barrel to.
One piece "benchrest" style rest.
Dedicated benchrest stock.
50x optics
Tuner - mandatory
Lot testing, lot testing, and more lot testing of ammo. Ran out of that 1/8th "all day" lot? Start from square 1 all over again...
Since we are stuck with factory loaded ammo, you will forever be chasing the inconsistency induced by this production method. They are just physically incapable of producing precisely consistent ammo from lot to lot, and the differences have a significant effect on rimfire accuracy.
No way to know how it'll perform out of your rifle until you try it, but don't assume either will shoot better just because they cost more. They could easily shoot the same or worse, c'est la rimfire.
You'll need:
A "hummer" of a custom barrel. Many customs will shoot well, but from time to time one particular barrel will stand out from the rest in it's performance. There's no rhyme or reason for it, just play the lottery.
A high end match action to fit the barrel to.
One piece "benchrest" style rest.
Dedicated benchrest stock.
50x optics
Tuner - mandatory
Lot testing, lot testing, and more lot testing of ammo. Ran out of that 1/8th "all day" lot? Start from square 1 all over again...
Since we are stuck with factory loaded ammo, you will forever be chasing the inconsistency induced by this production method. They are just physically incapable of producing precisely consistent ammo from lot to lot, and the differences have a significant effect on rimfire accuracy.
No way to know how it'll perform out of your rifle until you try it, but don't assume either will shoot better just because they cost more. They could easily shoot the same or worse, c'est la rimfire.
^^ What is the "correct length" for a .22 LR barrel? Never heard anyone say that before. What performance do you get with other ammo? If you could, just off the top off your head, say how it averages with Eley, Lapua, and RWS individually? I'm curious if you see much difference between lots/brands while you ammo test, I personally see a significant difference in accuracy with my current rifles. Have you tried a tuner with your 2500X/Benchmark? I agree that good results can be had without a tuner, but I think that relies heavily upon being able to test a truckload of ammo to find what works best.
Supposed to be pretty good. I guess somewhere around 8x-250 is competitive for the score type rimfire benchrest. Not sure what people average for the measuring group events.
I thought it was a higher X count that was competitive... might be thinking of Fclass centerfire having the high X potential. If 8x is competitive then 25x might just be out of realistic expectation.
I've already done the 1/4" at 50 while ammo testing back in June but it wasn't allowed because of more than 1 set of 5 shot groups on the target. Top and bottom 5 5 shot groups averaged .155" The 1/8" at 50 will be tough.
I'd be alright with those groups! Haha... do you have experience with high end production rifles? What extra did you get out of going custom? What type of rest situation are you using?
Sounds like quite the black hole lol...
What is a realistic expectation for a newer match Anschutz production rifle?
Black hole indeed... heh. I'd expect an Anschütz to reliably shoot under 1/2" with it's preferred ammo, here's an example of what would be typical.
Uploaded at Snapagogo.comOn a different day the SK Rifle Match was shooting better... After the following target the barreled action has been out of the stock twice, and the rifle given a deeeeep cleaning. I'm sure I could have improved upon the results above if I had spent more time with the tuner, but didn't bring enough SK to test out other settings. I would likewise need to spend time tuning for the X-Act ammo, but I don't have enough of it to even try. It does nicely illustrate my point that expensive ammo is no guarantee of performance in any given rifle, and if you didn't have a tuner you'd just move on to another brand after shooting those results.
Uploaded at Snapagogo.comYup black hole...
SK match ammo, annie tactical trainer 64 MPR '
Ive shot better then this... This is ok though! The middle and bottom right is what my rifle will produce if I do my part. Stock annie...
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Ive shot better then this... This is ok though! The middle and bottom right is what my rifle will produce if I do my part. Stock annie...
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Black hole indeed... heh. I'd expect an Anschütz to reliably shoot under 1/2" with it's preferred ammo, here's an example of what would be typical.
On a different day the SK Rifle Match was shooting better... After the following target the barreled action has been out of the stock twice, and the rifle given a deeeeep cleaning. I'm sure I could have improved upon the results above if I had spent more time with the tuner, but didn't bring enough SK to test out other settings. I would likewise need to spend time tuning for the X-Act ammo, but I don't have enough of it to even try. It does nicely illustrate my point that expensive ammo is no guarantee of performance in any given rifle, and if you didn't have a tuner you'd just move on to another brand after shooting those results.
What rifle is that? Have you tried many different ammos?
Your rifle isn't the only 64 I've seen with claims of fairly good accuracy.
If the middle/bottom right is what a 64 can do consistently, what is the advantage of going to a 54 action at 2-3x the price?
From what I'm gathering, it costs X to get into accurate/consistent territory, but 4x the price to just go a tiny bit further.
Just like truly fast bikes, cars and at times women.... You do know how this works right? Not trying to be the least dickish but incremental gains once in the stratosphere are a law of physics....
Dirk
I was out this morning with my Anschutz MPR shooting SK Standard Plus at 50 yards . Crappy Caldwell bipod and a variable breeze with no wind flags . I shot 13 , five shot groups back to back . Best was 0.136 and a worst of .459 ( definitely my fault with an accidental release but it is what it is ) . 13 Group average was 0.376 . Not my best performance by far , but , representative of real world performance ( bipod / wind ) using "regular" ammo .
That is a Weatherby XXII, which was made by Anschütz and is a 64 barreled action in a weatherby stock. The OEM barrel was a dud, I could never get it shooting under 1/2" reliably, so I re-barreled it last year with a 1416 D HB take-off barrel from a trusted gunsmith. Ammo wise, I've tried nearly everything available from our various suppliers of match ammo. I'm just dabbling with the tuner on it while I wait for my custom to be finished, then the tuner gets bored out to fit the custom barrel (it just happened to fit on this rifle as-is). This isn't the rifle to be pursuing ultimate accuracy with, but I am pleased with some of the high level results I've been able to squeeze out of it so far without too much trouble. It otherwise serves as my Silhouette rifle where I'm not allowed to use a tuner on it.
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Uploaded at Snapagogo.comSome things I've heard others say is that the 64 action uses the sear as the bolt stop, which leads to issues over a loooonnnnng service life. Might not be an issue in the next 10 years or so... but past 30 years... who knows? Here's a thread with some comparative information http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=897202&highlight=64+bolt+stop
At the heart of it, majority of the accuracy is in the barrel, and the 64's are fitted with the same barrels as the 54's so accuracy potential is about equal between the two and subject to the normal variance observed in any factory made product. A 54 action, in and of itself, isn't going to make the rifle more accurate. It is more along the lines of: Do you like the trigger options available with the 54's over the 64's? Do you like the stocks that are only available on 54 rifles? Is durability over a very long service life important to you? Can you manage the extra weight? At the end of the day in rimfire, trying to get the best accuracy once past the 1/2" at 50 yards mark becomes very expensive for exponentially smaller gains, and one might as well go full custom rather than play the odds with a factory built rifle.
