.22LR accuracy at 100 Yards 10/22 vs Savage Mrkii

[icedragonmx]

Apples n' Oranges...

I won't trash-talk the 10/22(this time), but will happily confirm what most others have suggested...as far as platforms go, the Savage will outperform the 10/22 accuracy-wise everytime. Not just at 100yds...any distance. Although you can spend another grand on your 10/22 with aftermarket bits n' pieces, you may never get it to outperform, or even match a good bolt action.

My Custom Dlask/KIDD 10/22 out performs my Savage Mark II everytime at every distance with both shooting match ammo. Try not to trash the 10/22's Granted spent $250 more for the extras on the KIDD vs The Savage (both have matching Tacticool stocks/Bushnell 6500's etc)

 

[mlehtovaara]

But in factory form there is no comparison!

I have a custom 10/22 with over $1000 into it, and it is just starting to match the performance of my Savage MKII which is bone stock.

 

[camster]

My Custom Dlask/KIDD 10/22 out performs my Savage Mark II everytime at every distance with both shooting match ammo. Try not to trash the 10/22's Granted spent $250 more for the extras on the KIDD vs The Savage (both have matching Tacticool stocks/Bushnell 6500's etc)

Not looking for a cyber scrap... I have owned dozens of .22's. I will not only not own another 10/22, but don't tolerate them on the premises.

...Dlask/Kidd modded Ruger isn't really a 10/22 anymore, but I'll bet you a nickel, if you put the same effort/$'s into a Savage it'll still win.

Respect where respect is due...the 10/22 has become a platform to which many folks have offered improvements. I doubt there's a 1000$'s worth of aftermarket bits for any of my other .22's.

 

[JimV]

I have yet to see an semi auto out shoot a bolt action at 100y+

I saw it last week at a bench rest match. The winner was using a customized 10/22 w/Green Mountain barrel. The competing guns included Walthers, Anschuztes, Savage MKIIs and a Weatherby. All were experienced shooters. The barrel/chamber is more important than the action. However, I think you're right that a stock 10/22 would usually be outshot by a good bolt gun.

That said, it's really hard to compare .22 accuracy at 100 yds under range conditions. Even a slight wind is a major factor, not to mention the rest, bench, ammunition, shooter's skill, etc.

I'm very happy with my Savage VTBS. In good conditions I will usually get 3 or 4 MOA or sub-MOA 5 shot groups out of 12 targets at 100 yds. The average groups size of all 12 will usually be about 1.5", sometimes better. Like many .22s it is particular about ammunition. It will shoot anything, but the best accuracy is with SK+ (standard velocity.) YMMV.

 

[icedragonmx]

Not looking for a cyber scrap... I have owned dozens of .22's. I will not only not own another 10/22, but don't tolerate them on the premises.

...Dlask/Kidd modded Ruger isn't really a 10/22 anymore, but I'll bet you a nickel, if you put the same effort/$'s into a Savage it'll still win.

Respect where respect is due...the 10/22 has become a platform to which many folks have offered improvements. I doubt there's a 1000$'s worth of aftermarket bits for any of my other .22's.

Just wanted to show that the 10/22 platform can be a very accurate platform with the right barrel/trigger. Not knocking the Savage etc just wanted to say the new quality stuff for a 10/22 will make it shine I do have both and play with them all, Cheers

 

[bblms]

Lots to consider. I have a Mako in 22lr, which is a mkii with a bull barrel, accu trigger and thumb hole stock. I can get it to do one hole 5 shot groups with all kinds of ammo at 25 yds. Frustrating when I go to 50 and they spread up to an inch left, then an inch right. Tried different ammo and finally found that Blazers work. Go figure. Around here, it's the cheapest stuff that you can get ($2/box), even cheaper than what you can get at Walmart. At the risk of getting off topic, just got a CZ455. Having a lot fun with it and open sights. Huge weight difference. If you ever plan to carry it, that may be something that you want to consider. Silhouette shooting offers the kind of challenge that you're looking for and they have a weight restriction.

 

[enfield303t]

My son has a CZ452 that is extremely accurate and a week ago tried several makes of .22's I bought him for his birthday. Several were pretty good at 100 yards however Sellier and Bellot Club had a 5 shot group of under one inch. Three of the shots expanded the original hole so this ammo/gun combination is fantastic.

My ancient Cooey 39 with a old Weaver B4 scope is more accurate than my 10/22 with a much higher priced scope...go figure.

 

[Max Tactical]

Hey all,

I am debating buying a savage mrk2 with the bulled barrel as a designated 100yard target gun and keeping my basic 10/22 for just close range plinking with the red dot. Do you think that I will find a notice difference in my groupings using the savage over the 10/22 at 100 yards? What type of groupings should I be expecting to see out of the two of them?

I just started to shoot my 10/22 (basic setup no trigger mods and standard barrel) at 100 yards with a 5x15x40 scope and a bipod and was not pleased with my results at all. Now I know that a huge portion of the error was on my behalf considering it was my first time shooting 100 yards and I know that human error was very large however I am just wondering what everyone else is getting in terms of their grouping.

I was shooting cheap remington golden bullet bulk .22LR ammo however next time I want to try some better stuff like CCI loads.

Thanks

I have the MarkII and I love it. I'm currently shooting long range with a MarkII, Pineridge 6x18x40 scope and it's a tac driver! I'm hitting steel at 250 meters witout problem! The only reason I've not shot further is because I can't find anywhere with the open terrain.

On the other hand this gun is for tac driving only...kinda heavy!

 

[.22LRGUY]

Not looking for a cyber scrap... I have owned dozens of .22's. I will not only not own another 10/22, but don't tolerate them on the premises.

...Dlask/Kidd modded Ruger isn't really a 10/22 anymore, but I'll bet you a nickel, if you put the same effort/$'s into a Savage it'll still win.

Respect where respect is due...the 10/22 has become a platform to which many folks have offered improvements. I doubt there's a 1000$'s worth of aftermarket bits for any of my other .22's.

I could not have said this any better. I've had exactly one 10/22, it's long gone, and I can honestly say that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I'll ever own another.

 

[Dakk]

The main reason I hadn't bought into the 10/22 up until now was simply that there were always so many for sale second hand. Though dealer's rave about them and are always telling you they can't keep them in stock. People seem polarized on either side of the 10/22 debate; they either love them or they don't.

 

[Eagleye]

You might call the 10/22 Ruger the "small block chevy" of rimfires.
I am not particularly enamored with them.
I have seen some, that heavily modified, shot very well, but they still leave me somewhat indifferent.
I have owned 3 over the years, but have not owned one for at least 15.
Many people love them, though, and I say more power to them.
I have seen some of the modded ones show at competitions, but they are usually well down the list once the shooting is done.
Eagleye.

 

[Winnipeg Toymaker]

Not looking for a cyber scrap... I have owned dozens of .22's. I will not only not own another 10/22, but don't tolerate them on the premises.

...Dlask/Kidd modded Ruger isn't really a 10/22 anymore, but I'll bet you a nickel, if you put the same effort/$'s into a Savage it'll still win.

Respect where respect is due...the 10/22 has become a platform to which many folks have offered improvements. I doubt there's a 1000$'s worth of aftermarket bits for any of my other .22's.[/

I agree Camster...our old .22s never needed any improvements (besides ourselves) to shoot the small groups. Like yours, my 1940 Marlin 81 DL performs excellent at gophers out to 200 yards. Any of the semis i have do not replicate its accuracy. I only use one brand of ammo . bulk not the special stuff.

 

[-Doug-]

I know what you mean. A rather inexpensive centerfire is the SKS with a crate of surplus ammo. But that's still close to $500 all in. That's why I was attracted to the idea of .22 for my trips to the range.

I had sort of written off the idea of .22 LR though, because I didn't think it would be all that accurate @ 100 yrds. But from what I've been hearing, the .22 Savage Mk II rifle I just picked up + the CCI 'mini-mag' LR ammo give suprising performance at 100 yrds. I'll be able to confirm this weekend.

Hey let us know how your range trip goes I would be interested to hear the results. Take pictures if you can.

 

[JBD]

I have had a couple tula model 8 and they shot well. Many rimfire ansultz, Cooper, cz, brno, my tulas, some savages are sub minute of an angle rifle. However you are getting about a half an inch of wind drift per 1 mile per hour wind at a 100 yards. To shoot accurately at a distance with a 22 you need to shoot with the wind. I use marker tape to indicate direction,not ideal but it is inexpensive. I shoot both eyes open so I sort of see my tape indicating wind and the target that the same time. To me it is quite satisfying to keep the rounds in the 10 ring at 100 yards. One shot I may be holding off by 3 inches, the next nothing then the wind changes and then I am holding off on to the other side.

Really this is happening with every round whether it is a 50 Cal or a 22. However the effect of wind on a high velocity, high ballistic coefficient round at 100 yards is negligible but at extended range it is significant. I ran the numbers through a ballistics calculator and shooting a 22 at 100 yards would require roughly the same minutes of adjustments for wind as shooting a 50 Cal at a 1000 yards.

 

[H4831]

When Eagleye stated the accurate 22 rifles, he didn't mention the Winchester line. Their top of the line was the Model 52, which came in many variations.
In world class match rifle shooting, the 52 Match rifle pretty well set the standard. I said "pretty well set the standard," because a true Brit would never trade his Match Martini for one, but that is just them.
Next down the Winchester line was the rather unpopular Model 75, followed by the very popular Model 69A. A well tuned (bedded and trigger adjusted) 69A with top quality aperture sights, front and rear, was commonly used in world class competition shooting matches in the Sporting Rifle class.
In the testing for accuracy of rifle and ammunition that I have been involved in for a year or so, either of two Winchester Model 69A rifles have shot as accurately as any rifle we have tested, which includes two Brno, a new CZ and a Weatherby, among some others.