22lr barrel twist for Long range

Tom figured the price would be the same as the normal barrel. I might try the 60 grain ammo if I can find some. But I believe there will be an advantage shoot the 40gr with more twist. Time will tell.
Platform is a cz455 that I’m building for CRPS.
Joe
 
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Well looks like there is lots of people against the idea.
Tom at Go Big Tactical has a 22” 1 in 9 Lilja on the way for me.
Will be interesting to do a bit of testing.
Joe

I doubt anyone is against the idea.

In over 100 years of competitive shooting with .22's, for one reason or other, every barrel maker and ever ammo maker, has come back, generally speaking, to the same bullet weights and barrel twist rates.

Spend your money, but don't be too surprised if you don't see a return from it.

Best results I have read of, were from reloading .22 ammo with BP, as it resulted in a very small deviation in velocity readings. For all that, it's not cometition legal, apparently, to use reloads.
 
I hear what you saying “everything That can be tried has been with the 22”
My guess is that until recently all the R&D has been for short range. I know of at least one crps shooter using a 9” twist and I know that Vudoo has been experimenting with fast twist barrels. There are also several big barrel manufacturers make 9” twist prefits.
In my mind I see something worth trying at least.
 
Despite the fact that no one has yet made public verifiable information showing that faster twist .22LR barrels do indeed shoot better than standard twist barrels, you shouldn't hold back. The price of a barrel is not much. Let readers know if you find something no one else has found.
 
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I hear what you saying “everything That can be tried has been with the 22”
My guess is that until recently all the R&D has been for short range. I know of at least one crps shooter using a 9” twist and I know that Vudoo has been experimenting with fast twist barrels. There are also several big barrel manufacturers make 9” twist prefits.
In my mind I see something worth trying at least.

Yep. Spend your money as you see fit.

I recall seeing an awful pile of 100 yard targets that were published by the likes of BSA that were well under an inch. Nearly 100 years ago.

I strongly suspect that the reason the data has not been released by various persons that had theories, relates directly to those theories not working out near as well as expected.
But I'd be happy to be wrong! :)
 
Tom figured the price would be the same as the normal barrel. I might try the 60 grain ammo if I can find some. But I believe there will be an advantage shoot the 40gr with more twist. Time will tell.
Platform is a cz455 that I’m building for CRPS.
Joe

I won't get into a pizzing contest over twist rates with 22 rimfire ammo.

So much has changed since inception during the black powder era.

It's now possible to walk into a gunshop and take your pick of a half dozen or more brands, loaded to different velocities, bullet weights, gilded bullets of lubed lead, aluminum cases or brass, the list goes on and on.

There is one thing that has changed as 22 rim fire evolved and that is bore diameter.

One type of rifle I really like are Martinis. I have a couple, made in the twenties, chambered for ".220 Long Rifle"

I never really paid much attention to that stamp. I was just happy they shoot as well as they do. A decade or so back, I actually decided to check the diameter of the bores on those lovely rifles. They really are .220 diameter. The other rifle I was using at the time had a .223 diameter bore and didn't shoot nearly as well.

Saami specs show .225 mean bullet diameter with a +- tolerance of .004 and bore mean diameters of .222 (I've yet to find one at .222)

Most 22rf bores today are .223-.224

My BRNO #2 slugs out at .223 and my new Tikka T1 slugs out at .2235. The old Cooey Ranger slugs out at a very consistent .224

Back when the Martinis were built, bore diameters often varied a few thousandths one way or the other from mean spec. Mine are on the low side but I would assume this is done on purpose, by the stamping on the barrel.

Another thing about that period, plated bullets for 22 rimfire ammo wasn't commonly available and likely not available at all. They may have used harder lead for match grade bullets or maybe the lead alloy specified for the period was harder all around and they needed a reduced bore diameter to make sure the bullets were obturating into the lands.

It could just be that bullet diameters were so erratic back then that the bores were purposely made on the small side, so they would be accurate with all of the different 22rf available at the time.

When I was a kid, over sixty years ago, almost every shop in town sold 22rf rifles. Grocery stores, gas stations/garages, hardware stores and of course sporting goods stores. They all sold 22rf ammo. It was available in short/long/long rifle and most or the late model rifles at the time were so stamped. All of the shops carried one brand of 22lr and that was CIL and it came in many different variants.

This thread has got me thinking. Now I'm going to round up as many different types of 22rf ammo as I can easily find and measure their exposed bullet's, diameters.

I'm suspecting the reason for the larger 223 - 224 bores we commonly find on late manufacture 22rf rifles are to accommodate "plated" bullets???

Funny thing though, my T1 prefers the lubed lead bullets to plated bullets. They both shoot very well in my rifle but the lubed lead shoots just a bit better.

My Martinis could care less if the bullets are plated or lubed lead, they could care less which company manufactured them or the bullet weights/velocities. They shoot everything well, even that Imperial stuff handed out by the DND back in the day for DCRA shooting.
 
From cz’s web site
Our 22 LRs use our cold hammer forged and lapped barrels, and are built a bit tighter than many other guns. In 22 LR we run a .211 bore, which is one of the reasons our .22s are known for incredible accuracy. This also means that a .17 or .20 rod and jag are required for cleaning, since a .22 rod will be too large.

Additionally, use of .22 Short, Long and ‘Sub-Sonic’ ammunition isn’t recommended because of the tight bore. This is not to exclude quality match or target ammos, which may remain sub-sonic in speed.
 
CIP bore specs are tighter than SAAMI specs. But CZ bores are no tighter or smaller than allowed by regulations.

CZ bores are manufactured to CIP specifications by law. Most European-made rifles also adhere to CIP specifications. This includes rifles made in Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Finland, France, Germany, Russia and a few others.

SAAMI specifications are different. Many North American manufacturers follow SAAMI specs, including members such as Browning, Marlin, Olin/Winchester, Savage, and Sturm Ruger. SAAMI specs for .22LR include a single specification for bore diameter as well as a sporting chamber and a match chamber.

The table below is from CZ.

 
Here is a picture of my gong at 405yards. Shot with my CZ 452 varmint. 89.5 moa of drop from my 75 yard zero. I will just say that I have shot many many types and brands of ammo and there is only one that I can get to be this accurate at long range. E3A46099-C4B3-4A17-B8E2-C2328496FF52.jpg
 

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From cz’s web site
Our 22 LRs use our cold hammer forged and lapped barrels, and are built a bit tighter than many other guns. In 22 LR we run a .211 bore, which is one of the reasons our .22s are known for incredible accuracy. This also means that a .17 or .20 rod and jag are required for cleaning, since a .22 rod will be too large.

Additionally, use of .22 Short, Long and ‘Sub-Sonic’ ammunition isn’t recommended because of the tight bore. This is not to exclude quality match or target ammos, which may remain sub-sonic in speed.

I have a German snallbore Mauser circa 1936 and was reblued sometime within the last decade.
I also use a jag for .20 caliber because a normal 22 rimfire rod gets jammed within the bore using 22 patches.

Doesn't happen anymore.
 
Here is a picture of my gong at 405yards. Shot with my CZ 452 varmint. 89.5 moa of drop from my 75 yard zero. I will just say that I have shot many many types and brands of ammo and there is only one that I can get to be this accurate at long range. View attachment 424502

Sometimes the gods smile!

I would take it as gospel, only if the results were repeatable by others with the same make, model, and ammo.

But that happens seldom enough, with high dollar match ammo, by the eternal searching that seems to go on for the next 'magic' lot number.

On the Martinis, if you hunt around, you can find an image of the BSA rifling specifications, complete with annotations as to what was considered acceptable and what was to be rejected. They also have the chamber drawing floating around.
 
One type of rifle I really like are Martinis. I have a couple, made in the twenties, chambered for ".220 Long Rifle"

I never really paid much attention to that stamp. I was just happy they shoot as well as they do. A decade or so back, I actually decided to check the diameter of the bores on those lovely rifles. They really are .220 diameter. The other rifle I was using at the time had a .223 diameter bore and didn't shoot nearly as well.

Is the ".220 Long Rifle" stamped on some BSA rifles intended to mean something other than .22 Long Rifle?
 
A bullet gains stability as it moves down range. Less air compression, means less density and less RPM requirement.

A faster twist barrel allows heavier bullets, which may mean better BC and less drift - but not necessarily tighter groups.
 
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