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Went to range today to try the 22lr challenge,tried multiple brands of ammo,the center x was getting close but not close enough, same with sk standard and eley club,rws rifle match and sk pistol match special were a disaster that was until ,when the savage had close to 200 rounds through it the pistol match shot
.4 for 4 x5 shot groups i didn't have enough for a 5th.but i never saw groups tighten up like that after the barrel had a few hundred rounds through it..and the 5th group I tried the center x and it really opened up from when the bore was clean.so my challenge failed,I'm going back this week to try with the sk pms and a dirty barrel.any one ever notice this type of phenomenon before.
 
Define "disaster". What distance were you shooting at?

One issue that complicates ammo testing with .22lr is the lube used to coat the bullets. Switching between brands without cleaning can hide the true potential of the ammo.

Same for testing with a clean barrel, you need to foul it before shooting groups for size.

When testing, I start with a clean barrel. A couple of 5 round groups to check zero and foul the bore, followed by 3-4 10 round groups. I place the most value in the last 1-2 groups, if they look good I will continue with a few more groups. If they are not so hot, I'll clean the barrel and move to the next brand.
 
Alpheus said:
Define "disaster". What distance were you shooting at?

One issue that complicates ammo testing with .22lr is the lube used to coat the bullets. Switching between brands without cleaning can hide the true potential of the ammo.

Same for testing with a clean barrel, you need to foul it before shooting groups for size.

When testing, I start with a clean barrel. A couple of 5 round groups to check zero and foul the bore, followed by 3-4 10 round groups. I place the most value in the last 1-2 groups, if they look good I will continue with a few more groups. If they are not so hot, I'll clean the barrel and move to the next brand.
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50 yards i fired 6x5round groups that averaged .75.then at the end of the day tried it again with dirty barrel and shot 4 .4 or less groups.
 
Testing ammo in prep for a large purchase, fouling the barrel with the ammo you plan on using is essential.
Testing Eley Ammo, use some similar left overs from before.
Five round groups literally mean nothing.
Use the whole box, shooting successive groups in the same sequence. It may mean nothing at the time but when decision time comes there may be something that shifts the choice.
There is something to be said for identifying first round flyers especially if swabbing with a dry patch after each 50 rounds.
My decisions are made based on 100 yard groups shot over wind flags and without the tuner if equipped.
While it may be backwards, after the purchase, the tuner is set up for 50 yards . . . right or wrong . . . it works for me.
This means needing two boxes of each lot number for each rifle if competing in 50 and 100 events.
Unfortunately there are so many variables so you need to eliminate those that can't be accomplished through consistency.
Knowing a rifles preference for a specific velocity had some application when Eley published the velocity on the box . . . now that information is only available on their web site.
My last extensive test was based on Eley Match close to 1062 fps. A friend had a preference for 1059 . . . right Dave?
LMAO when someone claims their rifle really likes brand "X" and they show me one 5-shot group or ten 5-shot groups with different brands.
 
horseman2 said:
Testing ammo in prep for a large purchase, fouling the barrel with the ammo you plan on using is essential.
Testing Eley Ammo, use some similar left overs from before.
Five round groups literally mean nothing.
Use the whole box, shooting successive groups in the same sequence. It may mean nothing at the time but when decision time comes there may be something that shifts the choice.
There is something to be said for identifying first round flyers especially if swabbing with a dry patch after each 50 rounds.
My decisions are made based on 100 yard groups shot over wind flags and without the tuner if equipped.
While it may be backwards, after the purchase, the tuner is set up for 50 yards . . . right or wrong . . . it works for me.
This means needing two boxes of each lot number for each rifle if competing in 50 and 100 events.
Unfortunately there are so many variables so you need to eliminate those that can't be accomplished through consistency.
Knowing a rifles preference for a specific velocity had some application when Eley published the velocity on the box . . . now that information is only available on their web site.
My last extensive test was based on Eley Match close to 1062 fps. A friend had a preference for 1059 . . . right Dave?
LMAO when someone claims their rifle really likes brand "X" and they show me one 5-shot group or ten 5-shot groups with different brands.
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Ya I messed up my testing all right lol.when I go on Thursday I'm going to bring my cleaning rod,I wonder if a snake would be sufficient. I will say this I have never shot 4 consecutive. 4 or less 5 round group ever.i was ready to purchase a tx1 this week to try,but I feel the savage might be able to do the challenge,I just found it unique for lack of a better word the performance of the pms from clean to dirty barrel.well learned something today.
 
The thing with 22lr is its addictive im already prowling for an anschutz,this last month i have only fired a few hundred rounds through my 223 rifles and about 3000 through my savage 22lr.i never saw it coming.
 
Oldly said:
The thing with 22lr is its addictive im already prowling for an anschutz,this last month i have only fired a few hundred rounds through my 223 rifles and about 3000 through my savage 22lr.i never saw it coming.
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I use to have a Ruger precision rimfire, did a lot of ammo testing. Then I purchased an Anschutz from a member here, he said it liked SK yellow. We both passed the 50M challenge. I only ever use SK yellow ammo. The Ruger was sold, purchased a Tikka T1X and couldn't live up to Annie, the Tikka was sold.
 
rmsg0040 said:
I use to have a Ruger precision rimfire, did a lot of ammo testing. Then I purchased an Anschutz from a member here, he said it liked SK yellow. We both passed the 50M challenge. I only ever use SK yellow ammo. The Ruger was sold, purchased a Tikka T1X and couldn't live up to Annie, the Tikka was sold.
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Ahh man i just ordered the tx1 on sale with extra mag and 20 rail.i was struggling to do the challenge with the savage ,but most days have been really windy and it wasn't the most stable base being used.i don't any 22lr would of done it in my hands.
 
I tried all of those amunitions (except the Center X) on my two Savages (a Mark II heavy barrel, and a new B-22 Precision). The absolute best groups were with CCI Green Tags, followed closely by CCI Standard Velocity from the plastic boxes, followed by CCI SV from the cardboard boxes. Apparently they are not manufactured in the same plant.

Denis
 
HibouAttentif said:
I tried all of those amunitions (except the Center X) on my two Savages (a Mark II heavy barrel, and a new B-22 Precision). The absolute best groups were with CCI Green Tags, followed closely by CCI Standard Velocity from the plastic boxes, followed by CCI SV from the cardboard boxes. Apparently they are not manufactured in the same plant.

Denis
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I just succeeded with the savage mark11 heavy barrel and sk standard plus.just waiting for the wife to show me how to download the info.
 
Oldly said:
I just succeeded with the savage mark11 heavy barrel and sk standard plus.just waiting for the wife to show me how to download the info.
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Congrats. I did it with my MK II BTVS using SK Rifle Match. Any flavour of Lapua (Center-X, Midas+, and X-Act) also did very well too
 
Oldly said:
Ya we did,but I'm now revisiting it from a whole new perspective, and I'm running out teeth.im just heading out to give the challenge another go in an hr.
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Eventually, we all go full circle. I knew an old Scottsman who had fought in the Spanish Civil War and WW2 - he said you can learn everything you ever need to know about shooting long distance with a 22 lr on a 200 yard range.
 
enefgee said:
Eventually, we all go full circle. I knew an old Scottsman who had fought in the Spanish Civil War and WW2 - he said you can learn everything you ever need to know about shooting long distance with a 22 lr on a 200 yard range.
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I just feel that with my reloads on center fire I was not spending enough time on fundamentals because of the limited amount of ammo I would bring to the range as well as the 300 yard walk to the target and back.i spent more time on load devopment and all that it in entails, the 22lr got me sitting at the bench and really concentrating from shot to shot,especially for this challenge,I went from believing I couldn't do it with the savage by,but I concentrated on technique and i mean concentrate.
 
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