22LR Rifle Choice

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Hey guys - I'm hopefully a couple of weeks away from my licence. Looking at getting a decent rifle for target shooting to start. Have a couple other purchases in mind as well but would like to get a nice 22 to start.
What would your thoughts be on a good rifle to start, scope & bipod? Also part of the question is, what range is reasonable for 22? Should I start at 50 yds? Will I have success (obviously skill will play a factor) at 100 yds? I've seen posts of guys shooting out to 200 with a 22 but I suspect very skilled shooters with pricey rigs?
I guess budget would play a factor - say under $500.
Thanks for any input.
 
Bolt or semi?
To start and get the basics, I would get a bolt action and something with decent iron sights to start at 50 yrds, scope it then see what you can do at 100 yrds. Lots of choices as far as 22lr, everyone is gonna say get a CZ, best rifles you can get. All depends on what fits you and feels comfortable and what kind of shooting your going to be doing. I started shooting my dad's remington 581 when I was 9 and loved that gun.
 
Bolt action - Cz is the best for the money spent.

Semi auto - Marlin 795/60 alot more accurate then stock 10/22's and they run perfect without spending $500 on parts to get it to work.
 
Thanks guys - gives me a good starting point.
I would like semi - but bolt action is fine too. Will have a look at some local stores to see what they have in stock. I think I will get a lever just for a fun one - just like the lever.
 
I would go for the cz,the 10/22 is a little more fun being semi auto.start off at 25yrds,get your groups under 1inch,move out to 50yrds.buy a couple of bricks of blaser. any scope will do until you get to the 100-200 yrd mark.when you start getting serious about target groups,you`ll find yourself spending as much or more on the scope(ps dont ask which is better savage or cz, you will start a pissing match).the best bang for the buck will have the shortest chamber(target).good luck and have fun.
 
i have a savage trr (bolt, $450) which is easy at 50yd and interesting at 100yd. add a scope for $80-$150 (bushnell works fine)

i have a Rem 597 (semi, $???) which is great fun at 10yd to 25yd. it's the one with the funky laminated wood stock with the giant hole in the buttstock. VTP, TVP? add a $80 scope (like a 1x-4x) or a $50 reflex sight (that's the small window type, like looking through a 35mm film slide), and have a blast.
 
OP... In your opening comments you requested a gun for "target" shooting... For that, get yourself a CZ 455 (or even better a used 453 or 452 American). You also expressed an interest in lever actions... The basic Henry H001 lever will give you a lifetime of fun shooting (or better yet, for a little more $$$ get the H001T Frontier)... Both the CZ and Henry are guns that you will want to keep.
 
I was in the same boat as you a few years back.
Did the research with some very specfic feaatures. I wanted apeture and scope mounting.
The only only one that really fit the bill was a Savage Mark II FVT.
It comes with the Williams apeture sight already D&T to the rifle and it has D&T scope mounts that accept
the Weaver bases for scope mounting. The target barrel give it the accuracy to make me the week link in gouping size.
Bolt is far easier to clean.

As for a semi, I found a lot of semi's out there require skill and time to strip and assemble. I chanced upon the Stevens 87a "click clack"
design and found a format that takes all of 30 secs to disassemble. With that I found a JC Higgins Model 25 which is and updated circa 1959 semi which involves just the removal of the stock via a take down screw. Takes 45 secs to strip down. Tube feed = 15 LR at the ready. Trigger pull is a little harder than most.

The self loading characteristc I actually find helps with the control of the rifle as you have to release the trigger for the next round to chamber. You can shoot a group then lock the bolt back with out the next round being chambered. It's a neat idea and easy to maintain. The long barrel makes for small groupings at 100 yds and it loves Blaser ammo. It also takes a 11mm/3/8" scope mount.

The 87a version allows you to use it as a "bolt action" instead of semi. Google is your friend.
 
Bolt action - Cz is the best for the money spent.

Semi auto - Marlin 795/60 alot more accurate then stock 10/22's and they run perfect without spending $500 on parts to get it to work.

^agreed. I'd stay the h*** away from 10/22s if I were you, and go Marlin if it needs to be a semi. For new shooters though, I suggested bolt actions every time. CZs are where you'll probably end-up, but that won't work with the budget you have in mind. If I were you, I'd be looking at the Marlin XT22 series (around/under $225), a 3-9x AO (adjustable objective) used scope with a fine reticle, a couple of spare magazines and use the rest for a pile of decent quality ammo. If "target" shooting means a range, you won't want a bipod for that but a solid front rest and rear bag. Most ranges I've been have stuff you can use, but I have econo gear for my 3x a year range trips. A no name leather rear bag filled with rice and a Hoppes front rest. (about $50) If your target shooting will be more casual, I still don't think a bipod is necessary if you're on a budget. I used tree branches, backpacks, you name it...for improvised rests.

Since I've turned to web forums for advice on things I knew nothing about, I'm keenly aware of how frustrating vague-sounding advice can be. So, here is how I'd be shopping with a $500 budget;

Rifle~Marlin XT22 (wood stock) You could consider a used one too.
Scope~older/used Bushnell Banner or Busnhell Scopechief, make sure it's a "made in Japan" specimen! :) These should be modestly priced, and always have nice glass. I have them fixed 3x, fixed 4x, and variable power. Love them.
Bipod~if you go that route, get a Harris to start with and be done with it. I highly recommend the HBLMS 9"-13". You could save about $50 on a lesser Harris, but you'll soon realize you should have gotten this one.
Ammo~part of getting a new 22 rifle is figuring-out what it likes to eat. So, don't commit to large quantities of anything until you've tried a few. All of my rifles like one of the 3 following~CCI "Standard Velocity", CCI "Subsonic HP", and Federal "Gold Medal Target".

Lastly~the distance from your targets... If you haven't got that much experience shooting, start close and get to know your iron sights. Easy/reactive targets like pop cans are fun, empty shotgun hulls, that sort of thing. Once you scope it, then it becomes a function of what experience you're after for the scope you have. With my fixed 3x, I never shoot paper beyond about 40 yards and even then (at that distance), I can't see the holes in the paper. So, that rifle is used for reactive targets like those mentioned, clay pigeons out to about 60-75 yards, and so on. With my 3-9x scope, it's paper out to 50 yards, then reactive targets at 50-100 yards. These are my preferences only, based on more than 30 years of shooting. It's about having fun for me, first and foremost. One day I'll want to try and get holes touching each other @ 90 yards with my Anschutz. Others, it's trying to blast 10 spent...then sand-filled shotgun hulls off of a cardboard box with my Marlin 795 as fast as I can. In my world, .22s are for fun...tiny groups at 100-200 yards are for my .223.

Hope this helps. Not Gospel, just my opinion. :)
 
I picked up a savage model 64 fvxp as my first 22, heavy barrel bundled and with a 3x9 bushnell scope, 1000 rounds later I grabbed a plain Jane Savage Mark II and have come to the conclusion I prefer bolt actions.

Lot's of choices out there for a .22, The last 3 times I've been on the rimfire range at Silverdale there's been at least one guy there with a Henry .22 lever action and they all love them when asked their opinion.
 
OP... In your opening comments you requested a gun for "target" shooting... For that, get yourself a CZ 455 (or even better a used 453 or 452 American). You also expressed an interest in lever actions... The basic Henry H001 lever will give you a lifetime of fun shooting (or better yet, for a little more $$$ get the H001T Frontier)... Both the CZ and Henry are guns that you will want to keep.

Unless you find a great deal on a 2nd hand one the CZ's will blow his budget once you get a scope on there. I suppose he could go for a FS, Lux, UltraLux, or Trainer and stick with the irons and still be in budget, but the OP specifically mentioned a scope. The H001 is a fantastically fun rifle.

I LOVE my CZ's and my Henry. They are awesome rifles that will take a lickin and keep on tickin while looking beautiful the whole time.

Thanks,
Cal.
 
Marlin xt 22lr bolt and a Marlin 795 22lr semi both for about 500.00
my first two rifles and i still shoot them all the time
great value a lot of rifle for the buck
 
Serious competitive target shooting or fun shooting? A 10/22 has a lot of advantages for either. They shoot well enough, after you find the ammo that particular rifle likes best(all .22's are like that. There's no reloading for 'em, so you have to try a box of as many brands as you can to find the ammo that rifle likes. No two, including two identical, consecutively numbered, rifles, will shoot the same ammo the same way), for hunting. They can be 'gussied up' into top end target rifles. Not inexpensively though. And there is numerous aftermarket stuff available for 10/22's that aren't available for other .22's.
 
I guess I should clarify - that the $500 budget is slightly flexible. It sound like a lot of you guys like the CZ - which I will look at, not sure pricing on those yet - but if it was 600-650 and a good rifle that will last me awhile (or a lifetime) I'm not oppose.
Sunray - I'm starting out but would want to challenge myself with accurate target shooting, but don't want to stress myself out too quickly :) So fun at the same time if that makes sense.
I am good to start with iron sights but would want to be able to put a scope on. If it came with a scope I would be happy.
Again, just looking for some advise and opinions - I know it is slightly vague. But everything you guys are saying is very helpful. Might want a semi just for some fun, lever for fun, bolt for target / accuracy - if that makes sense LOL
Thanks guys!!!!!
 
OP if you want a semi then quickly call Wolverine in Red Deer Alberta and buy the Thompson Center Benchmark they have on the shelf. THey are asking $550 and might let it go for $500. It will easily out shoot anything bolt or semi that cost's up to $1000. YOu cannot buy a better 22 for the price.

These are an improved 10/22 action and use a shillen match grade barrel. They will out shoot most CZ's. this one has the shorter 20" bull barrel and laminate stock. They are discontinued due to price. they sold for $800 and guys just didn't buy them. Any how good luck, and hope you see this before someone else does, as those in the know buy them fast. Good luck in your search.

FWIW I am a BIG CZ fan and have several. I also have match grade 22's and a few Thompson Semi 22's. so not blowing smoke. The Thompson Center shoots and is exactly what you are looking for.
 
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I was in the same boat as you a few years back.
Did the research with some very specfic feaatures. I wanted apeture and scope mounting.
The only only one that really fit the bill was a Savage Mark II FVT.
It comes with the Williams apeture sight already D&T to the rifle and it has D&T scope mounts that accept
the Weaver bases for scope mounting. The target barrel give it the accuracy to make me the week link in gouping size.
Bolt is far easier to clean.

I went for a bolt action Savage Mk II BVSS. With a Bushnell 50, 6-24x scope. Stainless fluted bull barrel, plus accu-trigger. Nice tight loonie sized groups @ 100 yrds, and I can even ring the 300 yrd gong 10 out 10 shots shooting cci mini-mag LR ammo.

Btw, whoever thinks a .22 barrel doesn't heat up enough to warrant a fluted design, hasn't used my rifle. That sucker gets hot.
 
Hey Static030~if you can swing the CZ, then go for that...but it alone will consume more than your $500 budget, leaving alone the scope/spare mags/rings/ammo, etc. I set-up a CZ 17HMR (rifle comparable price to their .22s) and I was well over $1,000 when the dust settled. Not saying you shouldn't go that route...but it's awfully hard for me to suggest a CZ to a new shooter if they don't know what they're paying more FOR. If you're just starting out, I personally think you should consider more modestly priced gear...pour a little more $ into a decent scope for it, put a crap load of ammo through it, then plan your NEXT rifle with the benefit of that experience. Spending 2x-3x more on a CZ doesn't get you 2x-3x more accuracy than most Marlins I've tried. They are better-built, nicer-looking than any rimfire made by Marlin or Savage (in my opinion) but get your hands on all these options before you commit.

I'm just glad nobody suggested a Cooey. :)
 
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