22LR Rifle Choice

nonrandomhero said:
Tagging this determined to prove this. Will post after next range trip. 3 shot or 5 shot group?
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5 shots 22lr at 200 yards. Similar to the "my rifle shoots half mod prove it" challenge. Five 5 shot groups on the same target. No other shots on the target and with a 22lr. One group doesnt prove anything.

JRodko said:
Did any of you guys read the post thoroughly? That rifle is a .204.... maybe up a little bit too early?
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The op wanted to know about a 22lr. Who cares about a 204 in the thread we are posting in.
 
hometownhero said:
The op wanted to know about a 22lr. Who cares about a 204 in the thread we are posting in.
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Really? In my post I talked about what I liked in my Mark II BTVSS in .22lr. I only briefly mentioned at the end that my Savage in .204 is very accurate like most savage products, and I also have a thumb hole stock on that because I enjoy them so much. YOU were the one who misread what I said and fixated on it.

Now that we have cleared up that issue I would also like to see a .22 lr that could shoot an inch at 200 yards.

Cheers,

J
 
hometownhero said:
Ive played the savage game. Ive had 4 rimfires and none are still with me. On all of mine fit/finish, and accuracy just wasnt what everyone says.
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And were they $450-500 Savage Mk IIs with bull barrels? I'm guessing they weren't. I woud avoid the $200 Savages like the plague. But the quality MK IIs are a whole different story.
 
hometownhero said:
Ya I have had a few and the best I could muster was just over half inch at 50 yards. Also wasn't a fan of how fast they start to rust.
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A half inch @ 50 yrds is still 1MOA. While shooting just over that isn't fantastic, its not terrible either. But my Savage MKII BVSS does 1MOA or better. It also won't rust. Like I said earlier... if you buy acheap $200 gun don't expect $500 performance.

The Savage MKIIs with bull barrels are actually great performance value for the cost of them.
 
Dakk said:
A... if you buy acheap $200 gun don't expect $500 performance.

The Savage MKIIs with bull barrels are actually great performance value for the cost of them....
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bahaha I've outshot a $500+ ruger with a $60Cooey 75! I've seen fellow CGN'er outshoot a tikka .308 w/zeiss optics with a different Cooey 75 (I did all right with the aforementioned one)...

The difference between a 200$ rifle and a 500$ rifle takes a LOT more than 300$'s in ammo for a new shooter to appreciate the differences in.
 
Dakk said:
And were they $450-500 Savage Mk IIs with bull barrels? I'm guessing they weren't. I woud avoid the $200 Savages like the plague. But the quality MK IIs are a whole different story.
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Savages I have had, regular mkII, fvsr, 93r17 fvss stainless, mkII fv 17 hm2, Axis blued, axis stainless. All have rusted pretty quickly. My cz's, cooey, m70, marlin 60, cil havent ever had rust on them even after not oiling them for a week after use. The savages a few hours after use they would be brown.
Putting a $150 stock/ trigger guard on a $220 savage barrelled action doesnt make it a $500 rifle. My $100 cooey and $200 marlin have alot better finish on them then any savage I have seen.
 
it comes down to what fits you. marlin 795 good choice, i like my savage 64 nice gun. i would not hesatate putting it up against the ruger 10/22 but that is my opinion, damn...lol i'm gonna get bashed heehee
 
I wouldn't hesitate to recomend CZ. I just bought a 453. If you can find one, they are a lifetime rifle.
I was talking to the manager at Badger Arms, and she told me that CZ is very strict about quality control. The same guy builds the gun from start to finish, excluding engraving and wood checkering. If the gun comes back for warranty, they know who built it, and he gets a warning, and if the same gun comes back a second time, the guy who built it gets canned.
I just had a friend out today and he was shooting 3 guns, 2 of my czs, and a ruger sr22. He was hammering nice groups with my cz's with rapid fire, and groups 4 times the size with his sr22. Now, he's trying to trade me anything he can think of for my cz 455 supermatch...
 
Get the 10/22, enjoy it, and spend $30 and install a match hammer kit in the trigger (Volquartsen)...lightens and smooths the trigger beautifully!
Then when you get serious about tight groups, pick up a match barrel and you'll be shooting them! With the match barrel get a VQ extractor.
 
pisces-guy said:
Get the 10/22, enjoy it, and spend $30 and install a match hammer kit in the trigger (Volquartsen)...lightens and smooths the trigger beautifully!
Then when you get serious about tight groups, pick up a match barrel and you'll be shooting them! With the match barrel get a VQ extractor.
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Or you could get a marlin semi auto and shoot small groups with a $150 gun out of the box. Modding a gun to work from brand new should need to happen.
 
hometownhero said:
My $100 cooey and $200 marlin have alot better finish on them then any savage I have seen.
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If by 'better finish' you mean a cheap plastic stock or regular milled wood. I call BS. Marlin isn't selling a $200 rifle that looks half as nice as my Savage MKII BVSS with laminate wood stock. I know, because I shopped for one. I have a buddy who's big into Marlin, and we been to the range many times him with his target barrel Marlin, a $700 rifle, and me with my Savage MkII BVSS. Both are in his words 'nail drivers' and perform equally well. I've even had a champion silhouette shooter tell me my rifle would be just fine for competition shooting. Frankly, I love the feel of a heavy .22 like the Savage MKIIs with the SS bull barrel. It feels like a center fire rifle next to the toy-like crap you get for under $200.
 
camster said:
bahaha I've outshot a $500+ ruger with a $60Cooey 75! I've seen fellow CGN'er outshoot a tikka .308 w/zeiss optics with a different Cooey 75 (I did all right with the aforementioned one)...

The difference between a 200$ rifle and a 500$ rifle takes a LOT more than 300$'s in ammo for a new shooter to appreciate the differences in.
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Obviously, I'm talking in general. Comparing a $500 piece of crap with a nicer $200 rifle doesn't mean that you don't generally get what you pay for. Not to mention, comparisons like that don't even address important factors like shooting skill.

I've never seen a .22 in the $200 range that didn't feel like a boy's toy. I prefer something with some decent weight and sturdy construction, and they cost a little more.
 
Dakk said:
If by 'better finish' you mean a cheap plastic stock or regular milled wood. I call BS. Marlin isn't selling a $200 rifle that looks half as nice as my Savage MKII BVSS with laminate wood stock. I know, because I shopped for one. I have a buddy who's big into Marlin, and we been to the range many times him with his target barrel Marlin, a $700 rifle, and me with my Savage MkII BVSS. Both are in his words 'nail drivers' and perform equally well. I've even had a champion silhouette shooter tell me my rifle would be just fine for competition shooting. Frankly, I love the feel of a heavy .22 like the Savage MKIIs with the SS bull barrel. It feels like a center fire rifle next to the toy-like crap you get for under $200.
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Im talking about less machining marks, and blueing that doesnt look likes it was put on with a paint brush. If it was blued properly the rifle should rust on its own while using it or even shortly after getting home from the range.

Also for no seeing a 22lr for $200 range that didnt feel like a toy. A local shop here was selling zastava 22lr for just over $200 they had a real stock(it felt like a center fire stock), adjustable trigger, very nice finish on it. Almost no machine marks, very nice blueing, and shot like a cz. That is one I regret selling.
 
Dakk said:
Obviously, I'm talking in general. Comparing a $500 piece of crap with a nicer $200 rifle doesn't mean that you don't generally get what you pay for. Not to mention, comparisons like that don't even address important factors like shooting skill.

I've never seen a .22 in the $200 range that didn't feel like a boy's toy. I prefer something with some decent weight and sturdy construction, and they cost a little more.
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You haven't seen any of the abundant Mossbergs from the '40's-60's? They were built well, are full sized, and veeeeeeeeeeeeery accurate. They just don't build 'em like they used too. There are modern full-sized offering too.
 
hometownhero said:
5 shots 22lr at 200 yards. Similar to the "my rifle shoots half mod prove it" challenge. Five 5 shot groups on the same target. No other shots on the target and with a 22lr. One group doesnt prove anything.
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Guys in that thread are talking about 4-6 inch groups at 200, not 1". But this thread says 1" at the time you simply said "salvage rimfire" I have a .17 HMR, and my wife has a FV-SR (.22) so I guess I can try both and see what I can muster up. I'm not claiming to be the best shot, or saying my gun can outshoot a $1200 gun. But I think they deserve more credit than you are giving them.
 
Well it all depends on were your shooting it. A bipod at a range were you sit down and bench shoot can be done with a cheapo sand bag (the bag works better too).

For a starter 22 lr it depends on budget. a CZ Farmer, Lux are nice accurate rifles. A 10/22 if you like throwing lead down range add a new barrel and stock upgrade trigger parts ect and it should shoot the same as the CZ (but double the price). Henry makes nice lever action rifles that are accurate as well. If you want a Canada made 22 lr you have Dlask (10/22) and you also have Savage as many of them are made in Canada. I have a Savage 22a 13 inch and a older sears one (made in same factory same design) it has a longer barrel and they shoot the same out to 100 yards the difference is the 22 inch barrel has more power at that range. It all comes down to the ammo try diffren't ones and see what works. I shot iron sights out to 100 with a scope it's just to easy.

My Grandmother would use the sears 22lr and shoot out to 400 yards on squirals and hit them. with that its not about lineing up the sigths It's hold 6 inchs high 4 inchs to the left look at the trees to see the wind wait for it to stop and if the squiral is running add 2 more inchs over. She really knew her property and that's why she could shoot that way knew were to hold. Seeing a squrial shot in the eye at 400 yards is something to see...
 
I remember my grandpa dropping 2 deer that were destroying the trees on the yard at 75 yards with a 22lr when I was 7 years old. Both shot between the eyes and inch and a half high... That was with a cooey rifle that would sell today for about $60. That gun shot 1000's of gophers....

That being said, I still love my cz 453s.
 
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