$23 airsoft aluminum quad rail fits perfectly on Norinco CQ

The ripping off of name brands I don't agree with. Putting cheap parts on from china though I feel is his right ifs he wishes to. Not saying that knock off parts are okay at all...
 
I have no problem with people purchasing either made in China or airsoft products on their AR's or whatever else.
I do have problems with people buying counterfeit items such as fake Magpul products.
Counterfeiting is theft of intelectual property and trademarks.
This burns my ass since I had to go after someone who stole our design and copied it. Not firearms related.



If he is putting fake Magpul products on his rifle Magpul Industries is getting hurt financially.
If others see it and it is not up to Magpul standards Magpul may lose business due to perceived poor quality.
If it breaks while at the range and somebody thinks Magpul made it they are getting hurt.
Copyright infringement is not a victimless crime.

I know that Magpul Industries is a huge company and a few fakes won't change their bottom line but there are other small companies that if it were them would be deeply affected financially.

Lets start at the beginning. There are many many bogus products manufactured abroad that sport "genuine" brand name markings. These fakes are making their way into many a nations without issue. Why you ask? Well for Canada, customs primary job is tax collecting, not enforcing victimless laws that usually only affect the foolish. I know they put off the vibe and company line that they're "protecting Canada and Canadians". Personally, I don't see them protecting anything but their existence, but that's an entirely different discussion. Regardless if where UTG sh*t is made, its sh*t. Run a reputable brand name and you won't be disappointed. MI, GG&G, Knights, Apex Machine, Troy, Daniel Defense, Lancer, PRI, Geisselle, Samson Mfg, Viking tactics, Centurion, Noveske, Spikes, Vltor, Or Yankee Hill Machine. All solid brands and I'm sure I missed a few. Not overly expensive, but well above the $23 toy being discussed here. The honest truth, if you can't afford quality parts, you likely can't afford to be shooting. More importantly, if you can't afford quality parts, you likely haven't the knowledge or need for them in the first place. Spend the money on ammo.

TDC

Personally, I think with ALL consumer retail goods, branding and intellectual property regulations are a cheap, government sponsored parlour trick designed to bilk stupid consumers into maxing out their credit cards to procure items with quality disproportionate to increased price. The thing is, if you take a hunk of aluminium ran through a CNC machine, it is the same whether that machine was operated by a child in factory China or a manufacturing engineer in the US.

The key difference is that in China, there's no minimum wage laws, no environmental protection laws, no labour laws, no entitlements, no transfer payments, public health care, no consumer safety regulations, no employer mandated insurance, etc. etc. etc. Personally, I think a price differential between a brand name good that is 3-4x the price yielding 25-50% improved quality is a rip off.

The key trend though, over the 8 or so years I've been shooting, I'm not seeing any noticeable improvement in Western made goods, but leaps and bounds in Chinese made ones. I don't think the Chinese have fully caught up now, but very shortly, they will. This same trend is true with all other consumer goods - electronics, clothes, vehicles, you name it - the Chinese are getting better at it, while Western manufacturers are stagnating and begging for government bail outs to their failing business models.

To that end, Westerner producers can either retool and try to contain costs (impossible, with the way our communistic government's operate) or lobby the governments to engage in trade wars to restrict trade by hyperenforcing nonsense regulations that kill all incentive to improve quality, such as tariffs and especially intellectual property laws. Quite frankly, with the system of "democracy" that exists here, I think it's more profitable (for shareholders and manufacturers) to lobby the government to start a trade war than to invest in infrastructure, process improvements or R&D.

As consumers, while the governments let us, I think the most sensible thing to do is load up on amazingly cheap deals while we have a chance.
 
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Personally, I think with ALL consumer retail goods, branding and intellectual property regulations are a cheap, government sponsored parlour trick designed to bilk stupid consumers into maxing out their credit cards to procure items with quality disproportionate to increased price. The thing is, if you take a hunk of aluminium ran through a CNC machine, it is the same whether that machine was operated by a child in factory China or a manufacturing engineer in the US.

The key difference is that in China, there's no minimum wage laws, no environmental protection laws, no labour laws, no entitlements, no transfer payments, public health care, no consumer safety regulations, no employer mandated insurance, etc. etc. etc. Personally, I think a price differential between a brand name good that is 3-4x the price yielding 25-50% improved quality is a rip off.

The key trend though, over the 8 or so years I've been shooting, I'm not seeing any noticeable improvement in Western made goods, but leaps and bounds in Chinese made ones. I don't think the Chinese have fully caught up now, but very shortly, they will. This same trend is true with all other consumer goods - electronics, clothes, vehicles, you name it - the Chinese are getting better at it, while Western manufacturers are stagnating and begging for government bail outs to their failing business models.

To that end, Westerner producers can either retool and try to contain costs (impossible, with the way our communistic government's operate) or lobby the governments to engage in trade wars to restrict trade by hyperenforcing nonsense regulations that kill all incentive to improve quality, such as tariffs and especially intellectual property laws. Quite frankly, with the system of "democracy" that exists here, I think it's more profitable (for shareholders and manufacturers) to lobby the government to start a trade war than to invest in infrastructure, process improvements or R&D.

As consumers, while the governments let us, I think the most sensible thing to do is load up on amazingly cheap deals while we have a chance.
Without intellectual property rights there will be no R&D.
When a company can spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions designing, testing, improving a product to bring it to market.
If someone else can come in and duplicate that product especially today with a 3D printer and produce it with sub standard materials for a fraction of the price there will be no incentive for R&D.

People won't risk their life savings to try to develop a revolutionary new product to bring to market if someone can just copy it for a few bucks and undercut them.

People who max out their credit cards to purchase consumer goods are stupid beyond belief and don't need the government conspiring to help them spend their money.
 
bring it to market.

That's the key phrase.

The problem is the governments manipulation of input costs that producers are forced to pass on to their consumers in the form of artificially high prices.

Thus, to bring ANYTHING manufactured domestically to the market, producers HAVE to price in all the variables listed above that their foreign (read, Chinese) competitors don't.

It's a govern created problem, and of course the governments solution is probably to create more problems by further intervention into the market.

If a competitor comes up with a higher value version of your product, the onus is on you, not the government to remain competitive. That's what is supposed to happen in a free market.
 
I run made in china ammo through my made in canada and made in america rifles. Will my d!ck fall off?

On a static range, dx stuff is a moot point, nobody is going to fail operationally.

Dilligaf, I've been wanting to run a rifle length or sceptre length yhm diamond on my 14.5. If I cut off the fsp, it should fit?
 
My son has bought himself a number of AS guns. On three of his rifles, the Tac rails are different sizes . Be careful when attaching good optics and make sure everything fits like it should . an AirSoft trijicon or elcan sight is about seventy five - hundred and fifty bucks so if it snaps off and hits a rock it sucks but not as much as losing a $2500 optic because you went for the 20 dollar rails .
 
I run made in china ammo through my made in canada and made in america rifles. Will my d!ck fall off?

On a static range, dx stuff is a moot point, nobody is going to fail operationally.

Dilligaf, I've been wanting to run a rifle length or sceptre length yhm diamond on my 14.5. If I cut off the fsp, it should fit?

I'll try doing run and gun, run downs, anddroping prone with a bipod next time I'm out my outdoor range and report back. It seems pretty sturdy though.
 
I run made in china ammo through my made in canada and made in america rifles. Will my d!ck fall off?

On a static range, dx stuff is a moot point, nobody is going to fail operationally.

Dilligaf, I've been wanting to run a rifle length or sceptre length yhm diamond on my 14.5. If I cut off the fsp, it should fit?
Here is a picture of my Spectre length on a 14.5" barrel

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Thks thump. Its neither here nor there for me at that length. I think rifle length might work better for what I want to achieeve
 
I can get AFGs for $7. I'm betting a 20 that it would hold out just fine on an ar15.

They do. I have quite a few. I'm thinking I might buy a whole bunch of these quad rails. DX sometimes gets some really good gun things then stop producing them.
 
They do. I have quite a few. I'm thinking I might buy a whole bunch of these quad rails. DX sometimes gets some really good gun things then stop producing them.

Nice, glad to have confirmation!

Do you think the knock off/PTS magpul stocks work as well? I have a UBR stock installed on a .22 that I got for $35....it looks damn sturdy and works just fine for a rimfire, but I don't have an AR yet to try it on...

I mean knock off CTRs go for $10.50 straight from hong kong, it would be a hell of a deal if they can be used without problems on firearms...
 
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Nice, glad to have confirmation!

Do you think the knock off/PTS magpul stocks work as well? I have a UBR stock installed on a .22 that I got for $35....it looks damn sturdy and works just fine for a rimfire, but I don't have an AR yet to try it on...

I mean knock off CTRs go for $10.50 straight from hong kong, it would be a hell of a deal if they can be used without problems on firearms...

It was a bit snug, but the DX-CTR knock off fit on my Nork CQ. I didn't like that it was heavier too.

I think the buffer tubes on DX are definitely out of spec - about 0.2" smaller than the Nork ones.
 
Are these quad rails solid? Or do they feel flimsy and weak? Also, are the rails any good, picatinny i believe it's called, I could be wrong though... Not to familiar with rail systems.
 
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man DX is weird, I ordered 13 items, waited 2 weeks and contacted customer service, they said they are awaiting some stock and will ship soon

mar 19 - 8 items shipped
mar 21 - 1 item shipped
mar 22 - 2 items shipped

2 more outstanding items left
 
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