230gr Berger, 300 RUM. Anyone else?

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Just curious, anyone else shoot these 230 Berger's out of their 300 RUM? I picked up a model 700 long range in the RUM, topped it with a burris veracity 5-25, and been very very impressed with it. I scooped up some 230gr Berger OTM Hybrid Tacticals for it. According to Berger Load data, max with H-1000 was 84.8. Doing my ladder tests I loaded up from 84-86.3 thinking that I would see signs of pressure by then. Nothing, and man did they shoot. I shot 8 rounds while doing this testing, and the first 5 were in a 0.614" group , the next 3 (more powder, faster) were 1/8" above first group, and 0.614" group as well. I wasnt even shooting for a group, I was just aiming at the same square every time. Ive loaded up more shells to try tomorrow, from 86.4-87.2 curious to see how they do. Ive read of guys hitting that 89-90gr mark with these and pushing over 3000 fps, which would be unreal. And yes, I do have them seated long, 3.874" which is 20 thou off the lands.

But before I go any further, has anyone else used this bullet for long range shooting, and hunting? Ive had very good luck with berger in the past, and just looking for first hand experience with this particular bullet. Once I figure out how to upload pics on here, I will do so.
 
I have never used the 230 in the 300 RUM.
only bullet I have used and loaded in them is the 215 berger hybred. I have used the bullet in 3 different ultra mags. They are easy to load for work well.
I used either a healthy dose of Retumbo or h-1000. I would lean more towards retumbo
The 215's seem to like 30 0ff the lands.
 
Well this one is liking them hot too. Ive got em seated long, and still doing ladder test but im well over bergers max with 0 signs of pressure at all. I have yet to chrono them and see how quick they are moving but once I hit some pressure I'll run em through the chrono and go from there
 
I would chronograph them and see what they are at.
2 of the 300 rums were dogs. Lots of powder and not very fast. The other one was really fast.
But in reality your going to dial for long range shooting anyways.
Find a nice load that shoots well without wrecking brass and all the rest.
If you have to dial your scope another 1/2 Moa at 1000 yards it won't make any difference.
 
Shooter ----/ said:
Run them as hard as you want with the accuracy acceptable to you. The faster they go, the less they drift.
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And the more you eat up brass and barrels.

If an extra tenth in wind is worth accelerated wear on your brass and barrels, then go ahead and hot rod it. Not enough gain and too much to lose in my eyes. A tenth of wind at the end of the day isn't going to gain you much.

It's not a race.
 
I havent chrono'd them yet. I just sent rifle away for a brake when it comes back I will start to chrono them, and develop a dedicated long range load.
 
kthomas said:
And the more you eat up brass and barrels.

If an extra tenth in wind is worth accelerated wear on your brass and barrels, then go ahead and hot rod it. Not enough gain and too much to lose in my eyes. A tenth of wind at the end of the day isn't going to gain you much.

It's not a race.
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And if your trying to preserve consumables, leave your guns at home.
 
Shooter ----/ said:
And if your trying to preserve consumables, leave your guns at home.
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I shoot out a barrel or two a year. So I know how consumable they are. I just got back from a trip where I got 3 new barrels spun up.

I also shoot enough to know that an extra 100 fps doesn't make much of a difference in ballistics. Sure it will shoot flatter, but as long as you know your ballistics (which you should) that doesn't matter. Windage matters, but your gaining maybe 0.10 mils at 1000 yards.

Go ahead and chase speed. I've been shooting enough to know it's a losing battle.

Find your velocity node and bullet jump, and shoot from there.
 
kthomas said:
I shoot out a barrel or two a year. So I know how consumable they are. I just got back from a trip where I got 3 new barrels spun up.

I also shoot enough to know that an extra 100 fps doesn't make much of a difference in ballistics. Sure it will shoot flatter, but as long as you know your ballistics (which you should) that doesn't matter. Windage matters, but your gaining maybe 0.10 mils at 1000 yards.

Go ahead and chase speed. I've been shooting enough to know it's a losing battle.

Find your velocity node and bullet jump, and shoot from there.
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If you’ve chosen to shoot a 300RUM, your obviously looking for performance in ballistics. Now if you choose to load a giant cartridge down to a velocity obtained by smaller cartridges, you bought it just to swing your d**k to your friends.

Loading a high performance cartridge for performance means loading it in a high node and yes any gains are worth it. Just ask anyone who has seen a small unaccounted for wind drift that has cost them a point or a gut shot animal.
 
Shooter ----/ said:
If you’ve chosen to shoot a 300RUM, your obviously looking for performance in ballistics. Now if you choose to load a giant cartridge down to a velocity obtained by smaller cartridges, you bought it just to swing your d**k to your friends.

Loading a high performance cartridge for performance means loading it in a high node and yes any gains are worth it. Just ask anyone who has seen a small unaccounted for wind drift that has cost them a point or a gut shot animal.
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Hence why I want to push these 230's as fast as possible. I don't really care about barrel life honestly, I'm planning on rebarreling it soon as its shot out anyway.
 
Shooter ----/ said:
If you’ve chosen to shoot a 300RUM, your obviously looking for performance in ballistics. Now if you choose to load a giant cartridge down to a velocity obtained by smaller cartridges, you bought it just to swing your d**k to your friends.

Loading a high performance cartridge for performance means loading it in a high node and yes any gains are worth it. Just ask anyone who has seen a small unaccounted for wind drift that has cost them a point or a gut shot animal.
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First of all, most hunting shots I would say are 400-500 yards and in. If you are gut shooting or missing an animal by 0.10 mils because of "wind" at those distances, you should probably just put the rifle away for good or practice a lot more. I guarantee that your trigger squeeze induces more than 0.10 mils of horizontal dispersion. Just call it a hunch.

Second of all, I do compete, and I understand that if I miss, it's solely due to a bad wind call, and I will get a correction and immediately impact with the follow up shot. Hot rodded reloads wouldn't help much in that scenario.

The difference in ballistics in very minimal once you start pushing a cartridge near the maximum designed pressure. You really don't gain much ballistically, but you will start trashing brash.

You are much better off finding a velocity node and reloading to that. A node in which your velocity is stabile will be much more beneficial.

It's okay to choose hot rod cartridges, I would way rather have a .300NM to shoot ELR than .308. And yes, I own both. However, I don't understand pushing a cartridge to it's maximum limit for pressure and velocity. I would rather my .300NM brass last 3-4x longer than shoot 100 fps faster. I know that the extra 100 fps doesn't gain me much, and I'll be purchasing brass a hell of a lot sooner.

Bet hey, you do you pal.
 
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Couldn't have said it better myself. If anyone thinks the last 100 fps out of any cartridge will save a gut shot animal???? Really run some numbers through yout program and see what the actual differnece really is. Or better yet actually go out and shoot at 1000 yards and see what the actual difference is. The last 100 fps wont male up for poor shooting or a bad wind call. Not even maybe.
The last 100 fps will trash the brass, way quicker than anythkng else and for what real gain?
Is there a difference between a .308 and a 300 Rum oh yeah huge. Is there a difference in a 300 Rum at 3000 fps and one at 3100?? The differnce is not worth talking about especially if your dialing your scope.


kthomas said:
First of all, most hunting shots I would say are 400-500 yards and in. If you are gut shooting or missing an animal by 0.10 mils because of "wind" at those distances, you should probably just put the rifle away for good or practice a lot more. I guarantee that your trigger squeeze induces more than 0.10 mils of horizontal dispersion. Just call it a hunch.

Second of all, I do compete, and I understand that if I miss, it's solely due to a bad wind call, and I will get a correction and immediately impact with the follow up shot. Hot rodded reloads wouldn't help much in that scenario.

The difference in ballistics in very minimal once you start pushing a cartridge near the maximum designed pressure. You really don't gain much ballistically, but you will start trashing brash.

You are much better off finding a velocity node and reloading to that. A node in which your velocity is stabile will be much more beneficial.

It's okay to choose hot rod cartridges, I would way rather have a .300NM to shoot ELR than .308. And yes, I own both. However, I don't understand pushing a cartridge to it's maximum limit for pressure and velocity. I would rather my .300NM brass last 3-4x longer than shoot 100 fps faster. I know that the extra 100 fps doesn't gain me much, and I'll be purchasing brass a hell of a lot sooner.

Bet hey, you do you pal.
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