240gr XTP bad bullet/load or freak thing?

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Hey guys, tagged out for Whitetail this weekend in muzzleloader season here in Manitoba.

I had a weird thing happen though. I was lucky enough to shoot 2 deer this weekend, one a doe, and the other a button buck. Not trophies, but man will they taste good! I shot them both from a TC Impact with 240gr XTP's over 2 Triple 7 pellets.

The first was at only 18 yards. Right in the boiler room, dropped on the spot and never even twitched.

The second was shot at about 25 yards. I knew my placement was where I wanted it, but right after I pulled the trigger, my dad said he watched it hunch up like it was gut shot and it ran into the bush. Tracking wasn't too difficult though, as it looked like someone was slinging a red paint can around the bush. Found the deer about 50 yards into the bush.

The entry and exit holes were textbook-perfect for a vitals shot. Right behind the shoulder in, and same out, but as soon as I opened him up, I was met with that unmistakeable odour. Gut shot.

Both entry and exit were well ahead of the diaphragm with the lungs turned to mush, but the diaphragm was exploded and the liver was blown to pieces as well as the gut. The entry wound was almost 1.5 inches across and the exit was damn near 3 inches.

Would hydrostatic shock have caused THAT much damage? I know it was a close range shot, but it looked like a bomb went off inside.

BTW the bullet had enough energy left over after exit to cut a 1.5" polar sapling off 15 feet behind the deer. Are these bullets known for this? Or was I just too damn close?
 
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I can only assume your bullet fragmented. XTP's do that. I have numerous examples of cup / core separation for XTP's. They sure do make a mess though.
 
I agree the bullet must have fragmented. I have not been happy with the xtp's, or the SST type bullets for muzzleloaders. The old pure lead round ball and bullets did a far better job in my opinion. I am not sure if I will try a lead bullet in a sabot or try a bore sized slug for next year. Oh well I will have lots of time to try things out before next season.
 
I love the XTP bullet and ise them in both my Savage smokeless as well as my S&W 460V. I have seen the jackets separate on a few occasions, but I still think the bullet does a very good job. I've shot lots of deer out to 200 yards with them. I won't be changing bullets....
 
The peculiar thing was that I found NO fragments behind the diaphragm. Just a bunch of liquified organs and a stinky mess. The other part that I can't figure out is why the entrance wound was so big. It was easily 1.5". That's more than 3 times the starting bullet diameter...
 
The peculiar thing was that I found NO fragments behind the diaphragm. Just a bunch of liquified organs and a stinky mess. The other part that I can't figure out is why the entrance wound was so big. It was easily 1.5". That's more than 3 times the starting bullet diameter...

That's odd. I can understand a huge exit hole, but that does sound abnormal....
 
At 20 yards, could the sabot still have been on the bullet? If the sabot was stuck on the bullet, could the petals have torn a hole that big going in? I never found the sabot inside the deer, but it may have gone through the other side also I guess...
 
A large entrance wound is not that uncommon. The XTP's have a pretty flat front profile and depending on the angle of entry can push a fair bit of tissue before perforation begins on entry. They could start mushrooming as well. I have shot deer as close as 6 yards from a tree stand and they work pretty much as you describe. At distances under 150 yards they hit like a hammer and as a muzzle loader bullet they work great in that range. I shoot 300 gr out of my savage ML. After 150 yrds they run out of steam pretty fast.

Over the years of trying different bullets in rifles and muzzle loaders the big debate comes as to which camp you are in. Either controlled expansion with more penetration ( premium bullets like Barnes ) or bullets that open up fast and release a lot of energy in the body ( like ballistic tips and XTP's)
The debate will never be won however from my experience on deer I have found the latter to be more effective at dropping deer faster. This year I took one with an XTP and my son took one with a ballistic tip. Both deer dropped in their tracks.
 
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