.243 - Just Enough, Not Enough or Perfect

Pretty ridiculous siting lack of experience to guys that have been shooting big guns well, for 40 years. I’d have to say, if you can’t shoot big guns silly counselling those that do.
 
Pretty ridiculous siting lack of experience to guys that have been shooting big guns well, for 40 years. I’d have to say, if you can’t shoot big guns silly counselling those that do.

I believe you can shoot big guns well.

Have you ever directly compared how well you shoot the bigger guns to smaller guns? And not off a bench, unless you hunt off a bench.
 
I have no problems shooting magnums off of a bench. Nor in the field. But I certainly can’t help how anyone else shoots them.


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Imagine you were the absolute best in the world at shooting big guns.

Does that mean you don't shoot the smaller ones better?

Taking the reasoning to the extreme, this is what I am saying. Others might say "people don't shoot big guns well". Seems like a dumb assumption, until you actually see the person shoot.

At the end of the day, if you shoot your rifle well, big or small, that's what counts. But without direct, equivalent comparison, no one can say whether or not (or how much) they shoot the smaller cartridges/lighter recoiling rifles better.
 
How much better do I need to shoot them Joel? The two most accurate out of the box rifles I’ve ever owned were a Remington 243 and a Ruger 375 Ruger. I know that because of the groups I shot with them.

Just how small have elk become these days?
 
Pretty ridiculous siting lack of experience to guys that have been shooting big guns well, for 40 years. I’d have to say, if you can’t shoot big guns silly counselling those that do.
Trouble seems to follow one around, here...As does the lack of reading comprehension.
Nothing to do with me. This was all explained earlier. It isn't a contest.

R.
 
There are a portion of big bore shooters who do it for macho/ego reasons, that only lasts so long if there is any recoil anxiety lingering in the back of their dome. There are a larger portion of small bore shooters that decry big bores due to their own acknowledged or un-acknowledged fear of recoil. It is easier to scapegoat someone or something or some practice than it is to address your own anxiety.

The reason this discussion will never be settled and most people refuse to address their own flavor of anxiety is that anxiety at this level is often subconscious and is NOT rational, no amount of rational argument or evidence can force someone to confront and deal with their own anxiety. By "flavor of anxiety" I am referring to "recoil insecurity" for the small bore crowd and "perceived masculinity" for the big bore crowd. This of course does not apply to everyone in either camp, only an individual can make that determination, in humility and honesty.

I can guarantee that this concept will draw much ire... human beings go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging that anxiety is present in their psychi, and to greater lengths to avoid dealing with it.
 
There are a portion of big bore shooters who do it for macho/ego reasons, that only lasts so long if there is any recoil anxiety lingering in the back of their dome. There are a larger portion of small bore shooters that decry big bores due to their own acknowledged or un-acknowledged fear of recoil. It is easier to scapegoat someone or something or some practice than it is to address your own anxiety.

The reason this discussion will never be settled and most people refuse to address their own flavor of anxiety is that anxiety at this level is often subconscious and is NOT rational, no amount of rational argument or evidence can force someone to confront and deal with their own anxiety. By "flavor of anxiety" I am referring to "recoil insecurity" for the small bore crowd and "perceived masculinity" for the big bore crowd. This of course does not apply to everyone in either camp, only an individual can make that determination, in humility and honesty.

I can guarantee that this concept will draw much ire... human beings go to great lengths to avoid acknowledging that anxiety is present in their psychi, and to greater lengths to avoid dealing with it.
This is very well put.

R.
 
Just for the record, it’s easy to shoot anything off the bench. The trick is proper holds from field positions

Definitely!

I mention the bench because in having this convo in the past, people tend to post pictures of tiny groups shot with big rifles on a bench. Which, like I and you say, isnt field use.
 
How much better do I need to shoot them Joel? The two most accurate out of the box rifles I’ve ever owned were a Remington 243 and a Ruger 375 Ruger. I know that because of the groups I shot with them.

Just how small have elk become these days?

Why ask me if you should shoot better or not?
 
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