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220Swifty said:
Ohhh, supercub and big bill are off
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Actually I never liked any 6mm caliber, but for no good reason liked the 243 the least. Never owned one or fired one. I know it's a good caliber, but my dislike is based on pure ignorance to be sure.

Actually, if I was going to have a LR varminter, it would be either a 250Savage (maybe improved) or a 257Roberts.


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220Swifty said:
Ohhh, supercub and big bill are off for a 6mm Circle-jerk!!! The 243 is the first centerfire i owned, and it has acounted for many deer, out to 280ish yards. I know how to shoot it so dont ##### about that being unethical. I foung that hornady's 75 gr HP is alot nicer to the hides than the 70 gr ballistic tip. I think coyote season is coming on isnt it. I wont ##### about the 6mm though, especially because you need a bastard-length action to run it properly
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Lol one aint never shot one but the other dun shot his buddies:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:. Great way to form an educated opinion.
I shot those 75Hornady too way back befre the VMax and the BT's hit the market. A nice acurate bullet they are. I shot an 85 or so lb coydog with one that left fur blowing on the wind but the exit hole wasn't much bigger than my thumb. He died instantly. That's about the biggest thing I have shot with them. I have however shot hundreds of chucks with that bullet and also the 75 SpeerHP both with H414 (before Varget hit the market). I shot a .156 3 shot group with those Hornady 75's and a max load of H450 with my 700BDL varmint barrel. Not bad for a barrel meant for 100gr bullets eh!:rolleyes:. I loaded some 100's once and I don't think I ever shot them all off to this day. 85 Sierras however I have loaded quite a few and once again before those new light weight poly tips hit the market. I still tinker with them once in a while and that would be the bullet I took if it were game the size of wolf or deer for that matter. I understand that Sierra toughened up the jackets on that bullet with the deer hunters in mind. I had excellent acuracy with IMR4350 but I like more velocity.
I took a .223 to work with me today in anticipation of getting in a calling stand on the way home. I had to get some venison to the sausage guy as well as pick up my wife from work. All that along with the winds blowing from Hell summed up to not getting a chance. I did however drive back in the dark to check bait in the form of deer bones that I left in a trashcan tied to a tree. Sunday I filled it. Today it was empty:D. That high wind is the reason that after supper tonight I put that .223 away and pulled out a 22" heavy barreled .243 for tomorrows hopefull hunt:D.
 
“In my opinion the 243 has been greatly overpraised. I consider it inferior not only to the 244-6mm Remington, but to the 250/3000 Savage which it drove from the Savage line. The handloader can get higher velocities with the same pressures in the 244 Remington case. In the 243 case, for example, the maximum load with the 90-grain bullet in the 243 is 47 grains of N04831 for 3,076 in a 22-inch barrel, whereas the 244 will handle 50 grains for over 100 foot-seconds higher velocity.

As a matter of fact, both the 6-mm cartridges were greatly overpraised when they came out, for all-around use on deer and varmints. I’d prefer the old 250/3000 to the 243 and the 257 Roberts to the 244. The reason, of course, is that heavier bullets can be used in the 25 calibers, and 90- and 100-grain bullets used in the 6mm are a bit light for the larger game, even light for brush hunting of deer.”

Jack O’Connor, The Rifle Book page 186-187
 
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I just purchased a Savage 12FV, 26'' heavy barrel, 1/9.25 twist in .243 this fall for my general purpose rifle. (gophers, coyotes, and deer)

I have not been disappointed and I am very impressed with the Accutrigger.

I use two bullets right now. 65 grain Vmax over varget for gophers and coyotes. Consistantly getting .75'' groups. (who says the fast twist can't shoot the light bullets?)

#2 is a 105 grain SPBT over varget for deer. Easily shoots one inch groups. While I have not taken a deer yet with this load, my friend has used his .243 with a 105gr bullet for as long as I can remember with the deer dropping where it stood.

From GunsWorld.

"6.16x51mm (.243 Win.)

The .243 falls right in-between the .223 and the .308. The .243 has less recoil then the .308, and yet it sends bullets down range at near .223 speeds, with twice the bullet weight. This flat shooting cartridge Doesn't suffer from some of the over penetration problems of the .308 and it doesn't suffer from some of the under penetration problems of the .223. In reality, this round is very suitable for the Law Enforcement arena. While there is no match grade ammo for the .243, there is quite a few premium quality loads out there. The .243 has never been used in any military rifle, but it would lend itself well to the 500-meter sniping role.

Recommendation: The .243 would be an excellent Law Enforcement sharpshooter caliber. It provides good energy and good trajectory with some mid weight bullets. There is no over penetration concerns in the military (At least not generally) so really there isn't any Military use for the .243, anything the .243 can do, the .308 can do also, and at greater ranges."
 
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Bigbill said:
“In my opinion the 243 has been greatly overpraised. I consider it inferior not only to the 244-6mm Remington, but to the 250/3000 Savage which it drove from the Savage line. The handloader can get higher velocities with the same pressures in the 244 Remington case. In the 243 case, for example, the maximum load with the 90-grain bullet in the 243 is 47 grains of N04831 for 3,076 in a 22-inch barrel, whereas the 244 will handle 50 grains for over 100 foot-seconds higher velocity.

As a matter of fact, both the 6-mm cartridges were greatly overpraised when they came out, for all-around use on deer and varmints. I’d prefer the old 250/3000 to the 243 and the 257 Roberts to the 244. The reason, of course, is that heavier bullets can be used in the 25 calibers, and 90- and 100-grain bullets used in the 6mm are a bit light for the larger game, even light for brush hunting of deer.”

Jack O’Connor, The Rifle Book page 186-187
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When its been pointed out that you dont know what your talking about, quote Jack Oconnor... It makes it all Okay again :jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::jerkit::D


And Grnhawg. What are you trying to say?????????:D
 
Bigbill said:
“In my opinion the 243 has been greatly overpraised. I consider it inferior not only to the 244-6mm Remington, but to the 250/3000 Savage which it drove from the Savage line. The handloader can get higher velocities with the same pressures in the 244 Remington case. In the 243 case, for example, the maximum load with the 90-grain bullet in the 243 is 47 grains of N04831 for 3,076 in a 22-inch barrel, whereas the 244 will handle 50 grains for over 100 foot-seconds higher velocity.

As a matter of fact, both the 6-mm cartridges were greatly overpraised when they came out, for all-around use on deer and varmints. I’d prefer the old 250/3000 to the 243 and the 257 Roberts to the 244. The reason, of course, is that heavier bullets can be used in the 25 calibers, and 90- and 100-grain bullets used in the 6mm are a bit light for the larger game, even light for brush hunting of deer.”

Jack O’Connor, The Rifle Book page 186-187
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Great piece of plageristics there BigBill:rolleyes: While Old Jack was one of the finest writers on rifles ever he did write many years ago way before some of the powders and bullets available now. True enough better bullets are available for .257's too.
First lets go back to the question/request originaly put forth by phishroy who is a newer shooter which I must asume BigBill is too. COYOTES were the subject as I recall. Of course in true fashion we need to expell are significant knowledge gathered by others over the years whether on topic or not;) Old Jack sure nuff would take a .257 over a .243 for Deer as so would most of us but then again he'd a said the .270 sure'd kick both there asses. Deer aint the isue here:rolleyes:
Did some numbers tonight just to see how bad the .250 Sav and the Roberts kick the ass of the .243 as a coyote rifle. Bare in mind now the 6mm Rem adds a bit more velocity as the 6/284 adds even more not to mention the Gibbs or Catbird :D
Savage and the Roberts are by my loading manuals are one purty much the same. Here are some coyote bullet numbers for both;)
Sav/Roberts
75 Sierra hp @3300 100yrd zero 25.89 low @ 400
87 Hornady @ 3100 100yrd zero 26.96 low @ 400
.243 Win
55BT @ 3800 100yrd zero 17.25 low @ 400
65 VMax @ 3650 100yrd zero 19.03 low @ 400
70 BT @ 3600 100yrd zero 18.68 low @ 400
87 VMax @ 3300 100yrd zero 21.75 low @ 400

WOOOHOO the .243 sure takes an ass kick'n don't it:D all those velocities are easy to make and the .243 is available in dozens of rifles not just the odd one. Brass availability, the list goes on. Sorry but there is no contest especialy if you let the 6/284 push another couple hundred fps out of those same bullets;)
 
.243 is an excellent cartridge... I kinda like the 1:10 twist and the light bullets loaded uber hot!.. killed many coyotes and Jack rabbits with a BLR and an M100 both in .243 over the years.
The 6mm Rem was completely cluster phucked by the Remtards and their marketing genius...:jerkit:
 
The 243 is a superb coyote killer, and the ones I've owned are extremely easy to load for and very accurate. I drive 55gr BT's ahead of RL-15 at 4k in mine with fantastic results.

The rifle is a Remington CDL with a rifle basix trigger, callahan shroud/pin and mcmillan stock.

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my 55 NBT load @ 3815 fps when +2" @ 100m is -4" @ 300m (330ish yards), in real world range tests

PS nice rifle Chuck! What is the color %'s in that stock?
 
get a Stevens 200 in .243 from SIR mailorder for $299.
spend the rest of your money on a nice scope and ammo :)

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if you dont like the stock you can order a replacement from Boyd's or Richards Microfit, however IMO the factory stevens stock would be fine for a coyote rig, its super light and you dont have to worry about beating it up. just dont apply any side-side pressure on the tip of the forearm (ie: dont use a sling as a shooting aid) and there is nothing wrong with the stock other than its ugly. works fine with a bipod, its just side-side pressure the forearm tip cant handle.
 
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manbearpig said:
get a Stevens 200 in .243 from SIR mailorder for $299.
spend the rest of your money on a nice scope and ammo :)

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if you dont like the stock you can order a replacement from Boyd's or Richards Microfit, however IMO the factory stevens stock would be fine for a coyote rig, its super light and you dont have to worry about beating it up. just dont apply any side-side pressure on the tip of the forearm (ie: dont use a sling as a shooting aid) and there is nothing wrong with the stock other than its ugly. works fine with a bipod, its just side-side pressure the forearm tip cant handle.
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Amen;)
 
grnhawg said:
Savage and the Roberts are by my loading manuals are one purty much the same. Here are some coyote bullet numbers for both;)
Sav/Roberts
75 Sierra hp @3300 100yrd zero 25.89 low @ 400
87 Hornady @ 3100 100yrd zero 26.96 low @ 400
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While I've never claimed to have any experience with a 243, I do own a 257 Roberts and can easily can get 3200fps with mine using 100gr Hornadys. It's main purpose is deer hunting, so I haven't tried the lighter bullets in it. If it will do that with 100s, I wonder what I could get from a 24" bbl using the lighter ones you listed. I'm pretty sure it would be a fair bit faster than the velocities you mentioned. :)


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btw i dont own a .243. i never really saw the need for something inbetween .223 and .308.

my friend uses one for everything other than moose and bear, and he swears its the best deer caliber. it does quite a number on groundhogs and skunks - absolutely obliterates them.

if you want to preserve the coyote pelts then i recommend you consider something a little easier on them, or at least choose your bullets wisely. standard hollowpoints will blow them apart.
 
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Actually, if I was going to have a LR varminter, it would be either a 250Savage (maybe improved) or a 257Roberts.

I have both and am getting a 243 soon.
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Well gang, can`t prove it to you but this year I have shot both my deer at over 300yrd with a Stevens Mod200 in .243, they only went 50yds after the shot. Love the caliber. Shot my buck last year with the same gun but he was only 50 yds away. I shoot Jacks and Yotes at long range with it also. Will be doing the same with this rifle this year.
As a side note, my brother has shot over a dozen moose with this round over the last 20 yrs. All one shot kills with the .243. Can`t prove it but it did happen.

DF:D
 
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