25-06: tell me about your game taken

brybenn said:
2000gr at 1800fps is roughly 15000ftlbs of muzzle energy. Hollands 700 nitro makes only 8900ftlbs at the muzzle. I'd love to see the action strong enough for that caliber you mention and would love to meet the man capable of shouldering and firing such a weapon
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He is probably talking about the fellow from the Yukon who had a nice 4 bore built. And they will spit out a 2000gr bullet at 1500fps.

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Im not sure, but the guy who made it looked like he was about 6'2", and about 230lbs. My best guess. He would lean forward significantly, and when he fired it it would sometimes lift his front foot off the ground!
His shoulder is going to pay for that some day! Lol!

The video was in small snippets, showing the rifle evolving ad he comleted each stage of manufacture.
It showed some of the heat treating of the action.
The barrel point of impact took a great deal of work to complete!

I am not sure if he had to seperate the barrels each time he made an adjustment.
That would have drove me bonkers! Lol!
 
dthunter, I got your point, and agree totally.

One of the first animals I shot with my 358 Norma and super premium 250grainers at 2800 fps was a yearling bull moose. Broadside through the lungs at 55 yards, it ran at least 100 yards before falling. No big surprise as all it did was punch a hole through. A lot more foot-pounds than a 25-06 would have, but foot-pounds doesn't mean much as a measure of killing power.
 
1899:

Yes I believe this may have been the same guy!
It might have been another project of his.
Maybe his first.
During one of his shooting tests, he had a double fire!
Holy HANNA!

I wish I had that talent to make things!

And yes, the velocity was 1500fps.
I had to correct it on my original post.
 
Absolutely!

RickF said:
dthunter, I got your point, and agree totally.

One of the first animals I shot with my 358 Norma and super premium 250grainers at 2800 fps was a yearling bull moose. Broadside through the lungs at 55 yards, it ran at least 100 yards before falling. No big surprise as it did was punch a hole through. A lot more foot-pounds than a 25-06 would have, but foot-pounds doesn't mean much as a measure of killing power.
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Ahmen! Ft/lbs. Is just a yard stick in which some of us shooters stake way too much value and magic!

But for now, its pretty much all we have to compare
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There's been a lot of formulae over the years, but in the end put a bullet in the right spot. Tissue is destroyed, blood pressure drops or the CNS is messed up, and the animal dies. Which is why the 25-06 works so well.

For what it's worth, the reason I have that 358 Norma? It used to be a 300Wby, and I found that with similar quality bullets the 300Wby didn't kill moose any faster than a little 284 Win I used to own. With good bullets I find the 358 Norma comforting to carry in grizzly country, which is a good enough reason.
 
The rifle you are referring to is a 4 bore, John Millar's 4 bore to be precise. 1850grs at 1400fps, just under 1" bore, he built the rifle himself in Whitehorse and did an unbelievable job. Where did you live and you were a PH where you got to see many Cape Buffalo drop to .375s? Not doubting, just a bold claim and interested.
 
Hodaka said:
Hey all, I'm back! I am still reading with interest.
Let me re-visit my reasoning:
- I am mostly hunting deer.
- I am trying to keep reasonable re-coil.
What I did not mention is:
-I like to go to the range and fire off a couple dozen rounds
-I have a bit of a bad shoulder already. Last time I took my 12g out, (2.75" 1.25 rounds- 10 or so total) my muscles took about a month to recover. No doubt partly because the recoil pad is quite thin, but you get the drift. I have a condition where my pectoral muscles and shoulder in general are seriously knotted (from work), and shooting heavy recoil actually loosens them up a bit, but I pay for it. Currently, I can fire about 100 rounds from the 357 without any real bother.

Many points well taken. Ardent: I didn't really want to see an elk either, but my friend- a much more experienced hunter than I- insisted it would be OK. While I will never be hunting African game, or really any dangerous game, I seem to be re-thinking. I either need to go bigger, and balance my loads against the game/range use, or buy two guns. As has often been stated here, you can never have too many guns!
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Sounds like a .25-06, .257 Roberts, or .250 Savage would suit your needs well. I would strongly suggest .270 minimum if after Elk again though.

Happy hunting! (And thanks for the thread to prompt all the discussion)
 
Misunderstanding

Ardent said:
The rifle you are referring to is a 4 bore, John Millar's 4 bore to be precise. 1850grs at 1400fps, just under 1" bore, he built the rifle himself in Whitehorse and did an unbelievable job. Where did you live and you were a PH where you got to see many Cape Buffalo drop to .375s? Not doubting, just a bold claim and interested.
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Sorry for the misunderstanding Ardent!
I didnt want to lead anyone to believe the experience of the "many" cape buffalos was first hand! Poor way for me to describe my point Lol!
My discription seems that way, I apologize.
I am reffering from the experiences of many hunters I have talked to over the years.
There is no doubt that the .375 H&H is effective, thats my real point.
It was a beautiful job on the rifle though eh?
My friend Bevan King was the guy who showed me the video and pictures.

I still wouldnt pull the trigger on that 4 bore
Cannon! Lol!
It kills on the bore end, and wounds on the other!
 
Ardent said:
Sounds like a .25-06, .257 Roberts, or .250 Savage would suit your needs well. I would strongly suggest .270 minimum if after Elk again though.
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I concur. That 257Roberts has served me well for deer and would fit the bill perfectly. I'd use my 270 for larger game.


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That 4 bore pic sure makes my 3006 look like a ##### eh. I'd hate to be stuck as his gun bearer haven to carry it around all day. I'd love to see a pic of the gun if anyone has one
 
dthunter said:
We are all subject to the animals response. I have seen many Cape buffalo drop dead with that shot, with a .375H&H. And the. 375H&H has nowere near the energy as that cannon.
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Sure did sound like you were a PH or something, was confused. Yes, the .375 H&H is very effective at killing Cape Buffalo and other very large game, however it's not very effective at stopping them. There are statistics out there on stopping percentages gathered through PH reports of the typical dangerous game cartridges- .375, .416, .458, .470 etc. I'm making up numbers but I think the .375 was only able to bring something like 40% of charges to a dead stop. While there's a lot of ambiguity in shot placement, the different quality of shooters, ranges, etc you have to figure that most charges will probably result in similar situations- close, fast, and a nervous shooter- meaning similar hits. A .375 even has an advantage if anything in shot placement 'quick and dirty' due to light (in Africa's opinion) recoil.

I've killed just one big Cape Buffalo bull, with a .375, and it dropped him like a sack of hammers. Had I missed my neck shot (his neck was the only clear spot, exposed past the Mopane he was behind looking at us at less than 20 yards) and put it through only the big neck muscles or an artery that would take time to bleed him, my PH's .458 Lott would have come into play fast. I don't remember the Lott's stop percentage from the subjective collection of reports, but I think it was 60-80% type range. The .375 kills because it penetrates, reaching the vitals with a good shot, not a lot of 'shock' compared to even bigger bullets though, and not the same bone destruction. Though still impressive compared to North American hunting cartridges, for sure, it makes the loudest 'whump' I've heard from a hunting cartridge when it connects due to a combination of bullet speed and weight.

Now it's time for me to stop hijacking and write an African Hunting thread, dangerous game and otherwise. :) I have a bad habit of getting into lengthy discussion of my favourite hunting on this planet, Africa. Sorry guys. :redface:
 
Well, I picked up my 25-06 today for $329. :) It's a Marlin XL-7 and I've already mounted a Leupold VX II 3-9X scope in Leupy mounts. I'm sure looking forward to trying it out at the range. Once it's dialed in, I'm after Winter Coyotes.
 
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