buckbrushoutdoors
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I am a fan of the 2506 but I can guarantee it doesn't compete with the 257wby
25/06 what does it do best?
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I think what quido is getting at would be more like if you both pulled that trailer to the local campsite on the weekend and both got there and back safely and then to work on monday, why then would your diesel have been light years better?
I think what quido is getting at would be more like if you both pulled that trailer to the local campsite on the weekend and both got there and back safely and then to work on monday, why then would your diesel have been light years better?
If you go to the local campsite for a weekend, there wouldn't be much difference. If you want to haul your trailer to the west coast over passes in the Rockies, you would see a profound (maybe it might seem like light years) difference.
Just because you can make do with something much of the time doesn't make it the equal of something that will work ALL the time.
buckbrushoutdoors
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Who makes a factory pump and semi auto in 2506?
buckbrushoutdoors
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I think what quido is getting at would be more like if you both pulled that trailer to the local campsite on the weekend and both got there and back safely and then to work on monday, why then would your diesel have been light years better?
The one ton diesel would do it at 120 km/h and you would never feel under power. The smaller you would be limping your way there
Not sure about the pump. Browning chambers the 25-06 in the BAR.
Actually I said "much" of the time. I do not believe "most of the time" is appropriate.
I really do not understand the desire of so many to find ways to make the .30-06 look like the equal of the .300's. It is not. Anyone who has seen both used enough in enough different situations will know beyond a doubt that they are not the same "most of the time".
I've got both a few 300wm's and 30-06's, both have worked equally well in my opinion for taking game animals, I honestly can't say one has killed better than the other. The interesting thing is lately I've been using my 7-08's and 308 wins more often than both the 300wm and 30-06 and they seem to kill just as good as any of the others...go figure???
There is no doubt that a 300wm has a ballistic advantage over the 30-06 or 308 or 7-08 but in a real life hunting scenario, does it really make that much of a difference?
After 45+ years of hunting experience I've come to the boring conclusion that pretty much all of the time it does not
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I think what quido is getting at would be more like if you both pulled that trailer to the local campsite on the weekend and both got there and back safely and then to work on monday, why then would your diesel have been light years better?
I'm more getting at driving across Canada on the trans-Canada and staying in a tent along the way. the diesel would not shine in that situation.
The 300 doesn't shoot heavier bullets, it's just shoots them faster. There is a point where speed is no longer a factor. Actually 2 points. short distance and very long distance. A double lunged moose at 200 yards does not die "better" with a 300.
I fully understand the difference in the 2, but I don't see the advantage of the 300. In my situations. Especially with the new bullet technology.
Jon
I'm more getting at driving across Canada on the trans-Canada and staying in a tent along the way. the diesel would not shine in that situation.
The 300 doesn't shoot heavier bullets, it's just shoots them faster. There is a point where speed is no longer a factor. Actually 2 points. short distance and very long distance. A double lunged moose at 200 yards does not die "better" with a 300.
I fully understand the difference in the 2, but I don't see the advantage of the 300. In my situations. Especially with the new bullet technology.
Jon
I echo this sentiment.
The only time a .300 magnum is vastly different from a .30-06 is if you are poking out past 500 yards, which is seldom for any hunter. Within 500 yards the only difference is a couple inches of holdover. A well placed, quality, bullet will kill just as fast if it's going 200 fps slower.
The difference is certainly nothing like a 350 diesel vs a ranger towing a heavy load. More like a 1 ton diesel vs a dually diesel.
bigborefan
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I like the .25-06, but not for moose or bear; there are much better cartridges for those purposes, and I'd include the .270 and 7 mag in that last phrase as well.
But as far as N. Ont. is concerned there are vast differences in that whole area. I've hunted moose there on 4 occasions. Some of it would be thick brush for a few hours of trekking and then clear-cut areas for the next few where a potential shot could be over 600 yards! I Googled it today and actually saw the clear-cut areas I hunted in 2007. That was an hour north of Thunder Bay in 15B. I shot a nice bull there a few years earlier using a .340 Wby because my first time there was the previous year when I got a handle on the region and it's lakes, streams, bogs, thick bush and clear-cuts. I shot the bull in a clear-cut, there were also a cow and calf in attendance as well, but my son and I let them leave the area as a bull never gets smaller when approached on the ground.
Bob
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I agree the 25/06 is the minimum for bear. It will work and I've used it very successfully but one must wait for a good shot to the vitals. Baiting bears you never know if a 180 lb or 450 lb bear will come in. I prefer bigger cartridges but still love the 25/06.
Back to the 30-06/300 mag comparison.
I use a 30-06 (have 2) out to max 350 yards = 180gr @ 2750fps but when I am hunting areas where my shots can be out to 600 yards and especially if my targeted game animal is heavy boned moose/elk I'll grab my 300RUM = 200gr @ 3200fps.
Oct of last year I bought my first and I now have two 25-06 rifles plan on using them for alpine hunting for out to 400 yards on coastal blacktail deer and 500 + yards on coyotes/wolves.
I have absolutely no intentions of using this cartridge for anything else I will grab a more appropriate tool.
Back to the diesel/ford ranger comparison there is no way that I would hook up my fully loaded 14,000lbs dump trailer to a ford ranger it could drag it around but would be dangerous to do so but I wouldn't hesitate to hook it up to my diesel PU.
I use a 30-06 (have 2) out to max 350 yards = 180gr @ 2750fps but when I am hunting areas where my shots can be out to 600 yards and especially if my targeted game animal is heavy boned moose/elk I'll grab my 300RUM = 200gr @ 3200fps.
Oct of last year I bought my first and I now have two 25-06 rifles plan on using them for alpine hunting for out to 400 yards on coastal blacktail deer and 500 + yards on coyotes/wolves.
I have absolutely no intentions of using this cartridge for anything else I will grab a more appropriate tool.
Back to the diesel/ford ranger comparison there is no way that I would hook up my fully loaded 14,000lbs dump trailer to a ford ranger it could drag it around but would be dangerous to do so but I wouldn't hesitate to hook it up to my diesel PU.
For me it means less error - nothing else.
Faster velocity means flatter trajectory, which tightens the point blank range quite a bit. Just means I can hold minute of Elk to 400 without having to think about it, and have any fancy reticles etc. And IMHO the most prevalent issue shouldn't be about "sufficient" oomph, but more about the best bullet placement you can possibly do. Now if you shake like a cat sh!tting razor blades because you are afraid of recoil, maybe the other options might be better.
As far as terminal performance - my guess is the elk wouldn't know the difference.
