25/223
- Thread starter brybenn
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Given that the 6.5cm is basically a necked up 250-3000AI, the 25-223 doesn't have a chance of approaching the velocities achievable with the 250S... even the blown out variation; the 25 Ugalde cannot make 2700fps with a 75gr which the 250 does easily with 100gr. This is not to denounce the smaller round... it was made for silhouette shooting.
Anything under our deer won't know the difference... most would justifiably consider the 25-223 inadequate for deer, but excellent shot could get by.
Factory brass would be easier to get for the 250, but either can be formed from other cartridges readily available.
Anything under our deer won't know the difference... most would justifiably consider the 25-223 inadequate for deer, but excellent shot could get by.
Factory brass would be easier to get for the 250, but either can be formed from other cartridges readily available.
I load for the 257 Maximum, which is very close to the 25/223.
The 257 Maxi is the 357 Maximum necked down to 257, with a 40 degree shoulder.
Just imagine a 256 Winchester all grown up.
I used Win 748 powder for 100 grain bullets and CCI magnum small rifle primers.
start load was 22 grains of w748 under 100grn Speer flat base sp pt. = 2200 fps from a 24 in bbl
Max load for my rifle was 26 gr w748 under 100grn Speer FB SP. = 2600 fps.
The most accurate load for my rifle, as well as the highest velocities were with 75 grain bullets over W680 powder.
The Max load I used with the 75 grain bullets was 22 grains of W680 for 2800 fps
I took a small Mule Deer buck at appx 100 meters with this load. One shot, just under the spine, cut both arteries, penetrated the ribs on each side and sailed on through.
The 257 Maxi has a bit more powder capacity than the 25/223, but it's close enough to give you an idea of what you can expect from such a round.
A friend has a 6mm/223 and he's quite happy with it.
The 257 Maxi is the 357 Maximum necked down to 257, with a 40 degree shoulder.
Just imagine a 256 Winchester all grown up.
I used Win 748 powder for 100 grain bullets and CCI magnum small rifle primers.
start load was 22 grains of w748 under 100grn Speer flat base sp pt. = 2200 fps from a 24 in bbl
Max load for my rifle was 26 gr w748 under 100grn Speer FB SP. = 2600 fps.
The most accurate load for my rifle, as well as the highest velocities were with 75 grain bullets over W680 powder.
The Max load I used with the 75 grain bullets was 22 grains of W680 for 2800 fps
I took a small Mule Deer buck at appx 100 meters with this load. One shot, just under the spine, cut both arteries, penetrated the ribs on each side and sailed on through.
The 257 Maxi has a bit more powder capacity than the 25/223, but it's close enough to give you an idea of what you can expect from such a round.
A friend has a 6mm/223 and he's quite happy with it.
Sole purpose is coyotes fox jack rabbits ground hogs and crows.
If i went 250 savage id possibly consider deer but as i have a 2506 sitting in the rack i doubt id ever use any thing smaller then the 2506
The 2506 with 75gr vmax is not fur friendly and i want to use my next barrel for heavier bullets not varmint bullets. Hence the reason for a smaller 25 cartridge
If i went 250 savage id possibly consider deer but as i have a 2506 sitting in the rack i doubt id ever use any thing smaller then the 2506
The 2506 with 75gr vmax is not fur friendly and i want to use my next barrel for heavier bullets not varmint bullets. Hence the reason for a smaller 25 cartridge
Ive read the 25/45 uses a 1 in 9. Id likely stick with that unless who i get the barrel from sways me other wise
Funny though, i wanna make a "Dingo" gun, for "coyote" sized dogs, an the occaisonal fox, i use a .222 now for Fox spotlighting but want a beater bush gun capable of the dogs and occaisonal deer,
id love to go 25 roberts or something odd, but cant justify it, so lookin for .243, was tossing up between a 22-250..... but keen to follow on what you go with!!
id love to go 25 roberts or something odd, but cant justify it, so lookin for .243, was tossing up between a 22-250..... but keen to follow on what you go with!!
Not really enough terminal difference between the cartridges you mention to be worried about.
All of them are perfectly capable of doing what you desire IMHO.
Still, if you just have to justify something, my nod would go to the 243.
I have a 257 Roberts, Remington 700 Mountain Rifle and it's a great all around rifle. I've taken everything from Marmots to Elk with it.
I have a lovely, European commercial Mauser 98, 243, with double set triggers and a Pear Wood stock. I wouldn't hesitate to use it on anything from Marmots to Bears or Elk either.
I just finished building 22-250 on a Rem Mod 7 stainless action and the biggest mistake I made was not getting a tighter twist rate barrel. I used a proven accurate take off barrel and it shoots extremely well, if I do my part.
I may just bite the bullet and order a decent 1-8 twist rate barrel for it. The 1-9 twist barrel is OK and will accept bullets heavy enough to be legal for hunting big game in BC but I would like to shoot at least the heavy 90 grain offerings if it's going to be a multi purpose rifle.
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i failed to mention the deer that may pop up could be 'sambar' which down here carry a .270 minimum,.... it BS. theres also Fallow deer in the area (243 min) , so be pretty stiff to be worried about if you shot the deer wit ha 243 or 257 or 260 ... its just a line in the sand in Aus.
i am leanin 243 for certain, with the 100gr option belting the 250 out the park ball....
Isnt the myra the same as the copperhead based on the 222 case?
Thought had crossed my mind butif goingwith a standard bolt face id take the 250 savage case and ai it if i wanted more. I already have a 2506. However a 2508 would feed from aics mags if i put it in a chassis. I tried loading 22 250 rounds in mdt mags and it didnt work. To muchtaper in the case for being short
The 25/223 is just a barrel swap away from my current 223 in a chassis. Brass is easy andi have a bunch of 257 diameter bullets around.
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22-250 do have a lot of taper compared with 308.
I also have a 25-06 and I use 110grn Accubonds for deer, fantastic results.
now the .25/223 - .25x45mm or lets call it the 6.35x45mm to be consistent with metric measurements would be an interesting little intermediate round that would work in all those spare AR mags kicking around.
Personally I feel like the 223 case is too small for a quarter bore. I also feel like the animals you list are dealt with just fine with a 223, so I see no reason why a 25cal on the same case wouldn't also do the job, just with worse trajectory.
I am assuming you're partial to 25cal guns?
I am assuming you're partial to 25cal guns?
I have a 24" Rem 700 classic .250 but I'm sure it's well over 2700fps.I run a 2 gr over MAX charge of Win 760/mag primer/win brass /100gr sierra SP makes one hole.I'm thinking 3000 fps or thereabouts? Will have to chrony it some day. Many deer and a couple antelope have fallen.
yeah technically it is sorry, i thought it was 223.
